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Update, 2/25 at 3:25pm: Air France responded to our latest request for comment on the passenger’s rebuttal and for a copy of the lead flight attendant’s report, saying, “We do not have any further comments beyond the statement we shared.”
Update, 2/25 at 2:20pm: After this story went viral on X, Air France responded as follows,
Air France is aware of this experience of customers regarding the non-compliance of their kosher meal on a flight from Mauritius to Paris CDG.
Due to a supply shortage at the local caterer, customers were informed when they arrived at the airport that their special meals would be…— Air France (@airfrance) February 25, 2025
“Air France is aware of this experience of customers regarding the non-compliance of their kosher meal on a flight from Mauritius to Paris CDG. Due to a supply shortage at the local caterer, customers were informed when they arrived at the airport that their special meals would be unavailable and that vegetarian product trays would be provided as a replacement. Once on board, these trays were served to them, marked by the local caterer KSML, purely so that they could be identified by the crew to facilitate service. Air France regrets this confusing identification and points out that the crew never intended to mislead customers about the quality of the tray offered and that customers were well aware of the vegetarian meal served.
The crew also did its utmost to offer them suitable catering items to enable them to eat. In accordance with the company’s commercial policy, customer service proactively sent compensation to customers on arrival at their destination, due to the unavailability of the pre-booked meal.”
For her part, Divora said that this is incorrect.
She said she was absolutely not informed that a vegetarian product would be offered and would have refused that, though there were other religious Jews on the flight as well.
She also says that one of her sons, who was not seated next to her, specifically asked the flight attendant if this was a kosher meal and the flight attendant responded that it was a kosher meal. Divora said that the report filed by the lead flight attendant backs this up and that the lead flight attendant investigated and confirmed that the flight attendant had told her son that it was a kosher meal.
We have asked Air France for further comment and if they would be willing to provide a copy of the report filed by the lead flight attendant.
Originally posted on 2/24:
Last week, DansDeals reader Divora Marinelli reached out about fake kosher meals her family received from Air France on a flight from Mauritius to Paris. She has now shared her experience on DDF as well.
She had ordered kosher meals in advance from Air France, but when she checked in for her flight, they told her that her kosher meals were not available.
She was traveling with 8 people, ranging from 3 to 73 years old, and they were upset that they weren’t told in advance that their 12 hour flight wouldn’t have kosher meals.
(Pro tip: The HotLogic and Hot Logic Max work with the in-flight power from your plane seat and can warm up your own meals that you bring onboard.)
After takeoff, the flight attendant served them meals with “KSML” written on them, which is the industry abbreviation for a kosher meal:
Divora soon realized that the flight attendant had merely taken a regular meal and written KSML on it and told them it was their kosher meals.
She quickly went to tell the others in her party not to eat the meals, but some of her kids had already started to eat the meals. Her son even asked the flight attendant if the meal was kosher and she responded that it was.
She went to speak to the lead flight attendant, who investigated, and confirmed that another flight attendant had just scribbled KSML on the meals and gave it to them. The lead flight attendant wrote up a report, but all Air France did was send them a 30 Euro voucher each for not having the meal.
If this were a nut allergy situation, Air France would have a major PR disaster and lawsuit on its hands. Should kosher meals be different?
Air France did not say they would retrain or even speak to the flight attendant involved or whether they would retrain other crewmembers about kosher meals.
We reached out to multiple Air France contacts last week, but none of them responded to this story, even after repeated requests.
It’s a good reminder to always assume that the airline won’t have your kosher meal and to only eat a kosher meal if it is properly sealed.
In 2018, Wow Air was caught lying about kosher certification on their in-flight meals.
I have been on flights where the flight attendant thinks they’re doing a favor by opening the seal on the kosher meal for me, and are mortified when I tell them to keep it, as it’s worthless to me if served without a seal. Hopefully, they won’t do that in the future.
We were served this “kosher meal” on Thai Airways from Chiang Mai to Bangkok, though I had no idea if the juice or coffee creamer were kosher. We tossed it.
Even Delta has meals scribbled with KSML on it, though at least whole fruits are kosher:
Either way, shame on Air France for this situation and for failing to respond to it. Be sure to keep your eyes open for fake kosher meals.
Have you encountered fake kosher meals during your travels?
You can like, comment, and repost this X post to let AirFrance know that serving fake kosher meals in unacceptable and they need to train their staff better:
This is disgraceful @airfrance
Last week, Divora Marinelli, flew Air France from Mauritius to Paris.
She confirmed kosher meals for her party of 8 ranging from 3 to 73 years old.
But when she checked in for her flight, they told her that her kosher meals were not available.… pic.twitter.com/TogQsclTK4
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Yes this should be different from someone with a nut allergy – that could literally kill someone. Eating a non-kosher meal won’t kill you.
I know an old lady who swallowed a fly and dies.
But €30 doesn’t do it. They should get sued for fraud and deception. Anti semitism as well of course.
Calling everything that goes awry antisemitic is a good way to make nothing antisemitic
Are you religious? Maybe you are unaware of what non kosher food does to Jew.
Might not kill the body but it kills the soul
he means from a legal perspective
You may not be aware of this, but for millenia, jews have suffered extreme hardship to avoid eating non-kosher food. They’ve given up thousands of dollars and more to avoid it, and in some cases, have even given up their lives to avoid eating non-kosher food.
So for someone with sensitivity to what this means to an orthodox jew, I think a comparison to an allergy is fair.
I disagree with the original poster, but I also strongly disagree with your foolish statement “given up their lives to avoid eating non-kosher food”. Which source tells us that one must give up their life to avoid eating eat treif, as I’m only aware of 3 sins where one must forfeit his life.
There’s a fourth sin as well.
In the concentrations camps Jews were tortured by hunger, yet many of them absolutely refused to eat treif.
When the objective is to force the Jew to desecrate his religion, he’s obligated to give his life for any infraction. While this is obviously not the case here, The poster was just pointing out the severity of the issue.
Not super severe. Inconvenient maybe. No one was being forced to eat anything.
גדול החטיאו יותר מן ההרגו
In some cases it can be fatal
Once you start to think that way, it may very well be the same, because the person with the allergy can just use an EpiPen and their life will be saved! Problem solved for everyone!
A jew must eat kosher.
It is not less terrible to trick someone with non kosher than allergy.
Health of the soul isn’t less important. Even if we can’t explain it with science. Science isn’t the religion.
Trief food leaves a spiritual Mark on your soul. Some of us take that seriously
Oh my! That definitely is shameful and worse!!
If this were a Halal meal and the contents included pork, there would be an uproar proclaiming this as a hate crime and abhorrent Islamophobia.
I flew with Air France in Business class 2 weeks ago from Budapest to JFK via France, I
ordred and confirmed Kosher on both flights, on the first leg they did not serve kosher at all saying that they do not serve Kosher on local flights within Europe althogh it was confirmed on my boooking for both flights and most other Europian Airlines do serve Kosher on local flights, on the Paris-JFK flight the meal was subpar even for an economy meal.
Air france has in my opinion the worst ksml, just as bad as stogel
Seriously, Jews and their ridiculous demands. The FA went out of their way, found a marker, wrote KSML on the meals, and you insist you want kosher food? The nerve.
And then Dan with his ridiculous demands. He wants the flight attendants to be “retrained.” They have already been trained, in the use of a Sharpie! What more do you want?
Back in the good old days, Pan Am had a dispensation from the Pope to serve meat to Catholics on Friday flights. All the Jews need here, is a Pope.
I have received real Kosher meals where the liquid had seeped out of one of the seals and rendered it non-Kosher.
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But then again, I don’t expect the FA’s to have Smicha (like Dan does)
Anyways, airlines need to know that for the Kosher consumer, eating Kosher is as important as an allergy and they shouldn’t do anyone any favors…
That is a great question to ask flight attendants on my next flights on various airlines….whether they are aware not to open up the kosher seals/packaging..
It’s possible that this bit of minutiae was not properly relayed on various airlines to their fight attendants…
They are told. I have heard stories where the FA’s asked the passenger who requested assistance in the meal to open in themselves because of orders
They can’t sue?
It’s been a long time since I’ve flown Airfrance last.
Somehow, I just don’t see myself making that mistake again.
I don’t fly often enough or to exotic enough places to where Airfrance would be my necessary option.
I’m sure many people will disagree with me on this, but I consider Airfrance to be the higher end of B tier airlines at least with regard to quality of communication and reliability.
Who remembers when Wow Air z”l put a fake OU on meals
Yup, that’s right!
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/wow-not-kosher-wow-air-busted-using-unauthorized-ok-kosher-symbol/
Someone wrote in a comment on that link that $10 for a sandwich is expensive. In 2025 a $10 sandwich would be a DansDeals front page deal.
I have family members who work in kashrus now and then.
A few years back they were hired to work in hashgacha at a facility making kosher food for El-Al. Absolutely hair raising stories of corner cutting and decrees from higher-ups overriding what the mashgichim were flagging on the floor.
They don’t work there anymore and have pledged off kosher airline food.
If even El-Al can’t get this right, no one can.
El-Al changed hands now…
But, that’s the thing though with reputable hashgachos- it’s not our problem if the reputable kashrus agency messes up, the onus is on them. Last month there was non-kosher pizza being served from an establishment under the KM (Kosher Miami). Hashem will deal with the KM, and not the consumer, as consumers did 100% in their part to keep kosher.
Same with medications. It’s the onus of the manufacturer and if they accidentally poison someone the FDA will deal with it. That’s how much I care.
Chaim, can’t tell if you are sarcastic or not. However, if you were serious, then you are indeed correct. One could certainly take legal action against the FDA for a misstep or negligence which caused bodily harm.
still not willing to risk my life on it
To Dave – Maybe “it’s not our problem if the reputable kashrus agency messes up, the onus is on them”, but still, if you took this non-kosher “KM” pizza and warmed it up at home, then you must kosherize your whole kitchen, or at least your oven & cutlery.
Ask your kashrus-qualified rabbi.
rewarming plane food
Wow
There’s no reason it wouldn’t be possible to file a serious lawsuit about it.
At a minimum, like a food allergy.
I wonder if Muslims were served food that goes against their religion, how they would react to it. We shouldn’t be silent about something like this.
I was flying air Canada business class. I had strictly kosher food (which was deplorable btw)
.In front of me was an obviously chareidi guy. He asked if he needed to order kosher meals in advance to which the flight attendant said “no, all our food is kosher.”
He was happy with the response, ordered his probably treif steak and relished it. I was so bothered and didn’t know if it was the right thing for me to say something. It’s been nearly 2 years and i still think about it. There was no wifi on the plane so I couldn’t message my husband to ask him his opinion.
Ofc you tell him something! What’s the question?!
I hope you weren’t thinking your too religious to speak to men…
not so simple. You’d have to properly determine whether or not he’d listen to you.
It’s not for you to determine. That’s for the one above.
I’ll expound. By him taking their word, he’s what we call a Shogeig (accidental). He genuinely believes the food to be Kosher and therefore, as severe as the outcome is, he is not deemed fully responsible for his actions. However, had you informed him about the food not being Kosher (without properly determining whether or not he’d listen to you), should he then to decide and eat it anyways, he is now what we call a Maizid (purposeful). He is now deemed fully responsible for his actions.
Most often this example of “determining whether or not someone will listen to you” is found by carrying on Shabbat. When one carries and assumes there is an Eruv, but you are well aware that there is none, or that it fell down, should you inform him or not…
This statement is not correct. One can not rely on a non-Jewish FA, and therefore, he was a Maizid and fully responsible for his actions. You should have informed him and it is his decision if he’ll eat or not. You had nothing to lose.
he prob didnt know theres no aidus for a non jew so hes a שוגג for that as well
# vamech kulam tzadikim
I was offered a plated meal and told it was kosher, I explained that I needed to receive it sealed and it should be marked and the FA acknowledged that she was familiar with the practice having done it out of NYC. They explained though that on THIS flight the kosher meal was just wrapped in foil and marked KSML with no plastic and no instructions and they presented a package that fit that description, one fail cover (torn) with a piece of tape marked “KSML”. I wasn’t too surprised though the flight was from Mumbai on Air India LOL!. They did have fresh fruit though so I had something!!
While this is disgraceful, I agree with the other commenters that comparing to a nut allergy is not exactly accurate. it would be more comparable with giving practicing Muslims non-halal, or a vegetarian a non-vegetarian meal. It is an ethical/moral issue, not to be confused with a health issue. Even Orthodox Jews don’t put halacha and live/death situations up to same standard.
while I generally agree, there are health implications as well. For example – if i were highly lactose intolerant and got a KSML meat meal that turned out to have milk in it – that could be a serious health issue. I do know someone who does not keep kosher but buys kosher non-dairy food exactly because of this issue.
Lactose intolerance can be very unpleasant. I doubt it can represent a danger, especially based on one meal. As far as I understand, the biggest problems would be a glass of milk or portions of cottage cheese or sour cream, both unusual in the air. Yogurt, feta and hard cheeses are less concerning.
There are people with true milk allergies and that can be very dangerous.
I once got a coffee and the FA asked me if I want milk creamer? I answered it’s not kosher. I can’t! she asked are you allergic? I said yes, I’m allergic to not kosher milk.
but then another FA told her yes it’s like allergic to them and and explained to her that we only eat kosher.
Then we went into a whole discussion what means kosher.
Also,
Every time I fly on short flights, (you cant order any meals) and they offer sandwiches, I always ask for a kosher one, even though I know they don’t have it! And I advised everyone to do the same , maybe one day it would drill into their mind that they should have an option for a kosher sandwich doesn’t have to be meat or milk could be pareve also.
you prob have to file w/ the airline to make a change
“If this were a nut allergy situation, Air France would have a major PR disaster and lawsuit on its hands.”
And if this were a Halal meal situation, CDG would have been razed to the ground
BTW If you have allergies, make sure to tell the airline before your flight to avoid any issues. And if there are any problems, having notified them gives you a solid basis for a claim against the airline if needed, God forbid.
It’s not life and death. But it definitely warrants a lawsuit, I can’t imagine they can’t sue There is certainly harm involved, even if it’s spiritual… As well as malicious intentions on the part of the flight attendant.
Uncle Mo – Put aside the “spiritual” issue.
This is a blatant fraud case that must be brought to court.
No crew member, not even the captain, is allowed to re-badge any type of meal, be it sealed or not.
Be it Kosher, or gluten-free, or vegetarian, or lactose-free, etc. these professionally-certified food categories go through many many levels of very tight food-related and equipment-related regulations.
No responsible major airline would allows this in-flight scam to happen without implementing coercive actions.
Hey dan why don’t you contact the hechsher for the air france meals?
I’m sure they can take care of such a situation..
There is no single hechsher for any airline. Their meals from the US may be under the OU, but what does this story have to do with the OU?
To Kal – No airline (except EL AL) has a hechsher. Airlines order their special meals from various certified suppliers.
Maybe get a vegan meal takeah? Eppis?
Vegan meals are loaded with delicious crawly creatures. YUM!
can we tag @Vel??
I had that on elal a few years back. Got a good kosher dinner meal but on the breakfast end “sorry you are not on the list”. She gave me a meal that was not kosher when I complained she took it back cut the plastic and stuck in a kosher certificate. When I wrote elal about it their reply was kosher food is an accommodation not an obligation.
All meals on El Al are certified kosher at the commissary kitchen, though only sealed meals are mehadrin.
I have never received fake Kosher meals and this is a terrible story. However, multiple times, in various classes (ironically this is more common in premium/biz/first as they think they are ‘helping’), they open the meals even after being expressly told not to.
I do think that a lot of this is the fault of the Kashrus agencies. They should have clear instructions in large letters on top of every meal saying not to open the meal. Unfortunately, Kashrus is often treated like a business, and they forget that part of Kashrus is eating the food, not just preparing it.
To Sam – “Kashrus is often treated like a business” but sorry to tell you that Kashrus is not a humanitarian NGO or anything close to this. Kashrus is a certification that requires qualified professionals. Please let me know if you know any professional (taxi driver, plumber, dentist, computer maintenance, etc.) who works for free.
Every time I fly Air France and made a request for a Kosher meal and they don’t have it! they propose me €30 or 7000 miles. I think 7000 miles is much more worth than €30. It’s worth it to take the miles.
I’m going to change the mood a little. Back in the 1980s, when you could get meals on domestic flights, and I was keeping semi-kosher, I always ordered kosher meals on flights. I ran a state agency in Raleigh, NC, and some coworkers on a trip with me saw that my kosher chicken dinner was far superior to the stale ham-and-cheese they were given.
In fall 1990, I went on a training conference in Orlando and ordered a kosher dinner. I had a lot of my employees go on travel expense orders, and because it was Orlando, many paid for their spouses and children to attend. All together, there were around 40 of us and we occupied a big chunk of middle seats together on that DC-10. As we were boarding, I told a flight attended about my kosher meal. She just smiled. Once in the air, she got on the intercom: “Will the person who ordered a kosher meal, please raise his hand?” I did so, and then a moment later, every one of the 40 in my group did so as well!
40 kosher meals, all properly heated and sealed, were rushed out by all the flight attendants and handed to all of my North Carolina staff and their families! My staff let out a big cheer and everyone else on the flight applauded! I was the only Jew in my group. The others were Protestants and Catholics, black and white, adults and children. My staff had arranged this to honor me, and I was truly honored.
I think about that moment when I have a negative experience.
That’s awesome!
United’s kosher Fresko meals from Newark are higher quality than their non-kosher meals. Same goes for airlines that serve Hermolis kosher meals.
But most other kosher meals are quite bad these days.
I had a similar experience in 1970.
The flight attendant got on the mike and asked “would the persons who ordered a Kosher meal please press the call button” A few minutes later she repeated the message. Finally after a few more minutes she said “ladies and gentlemen, we have a slight problem. Three people ordered Kosher meals but four pressed their button. Will the person who did not order in advance , please press their button”.
It turned out that the fourth person said that “all my life I heard about Kosher food and I just wanted to try it”
Thats amazing.
My wife was recently en route TLV-NYC when she missed a tight connection. She landed up in Munich (not part of original plan) with an extended stopover which got delayed an extra 3 hours beyond that flight’s schedule. Lufthansa gave all passengers €7 for food. My wife asked a staff member where to find kosher food and they went and got her an original, certified kosher mehadrin airline meal. On the flight then from Munich to NY she had no reserved kosher meal because she had never intended to be in Munich. The flight staff made every effort to find an extra KSML, ultimately finding part of a meal which one passenger chose not to eat. (They provided fresh cutlery which did not quite meet the standards, but food there was.)
I have found Air France to be un-cooperative in many areas, particularly where it involves Jews. Best thing to do is to avoid them all together. And the people who received non-kosher “kosher” meals, should email the president & board members of Air France.
Is this a lawsuit?
Wow, very sad that an FA thought this was okay. I’ve been on my fair share of flights where they did not have kosher meals I ordered, but never had a FA do this. Was on an Emirates flight a few weeks ago where they did not have pre-ordered kosher meals for us and the flight attendants could not have been more apologetic and bent over backwards to try to accommodate (this outstanding treatment was experienced by my wife and I in business class aa well by other family members in economy). On a recent Air France flight our pre-ordered kosher meal also did not make it on the plane, and, although we barely got an apology, they certainly did not try to deceive us with fake kosher meals.
I’d like to give the benefit of the doubt and say what happened here was not antisemitism, but what other motive would there be for doing this? It’s not like it’s the FA’s job to stock the kosher meals on the plane, so he/she would not have been in trouble for simply saying “sorry, we don’t have food for you.” Why would someone choose to be deceitful in this circumstance?
Air France hates Jews and Israel. They delayed my suitcase nearly 2 weeks, and when I told them I was in Israel they said “Sorry I can’t help you.” Still waiting for my reimbursement of expenses. Crooks! Report them to DoT!
Yeah, that’s right! If they delayed your bag its definitely a reason to sue for anti-Semitism!
United served me once a vegan meal instead of kosher. Mostly cut up fruit, salad (which wasn’t checked) and non kosher dressing. I took a picture and sent to customer service, they gave me $150 credit towards united.
Sorry to say but you all MISSED THE BOAT with this discussion of comparing non kosher to allergy products. The only reason we are allowed to eat non kosher when it’s a matter of life and death IS BECAUSE THE TORAH TELLS US IN THA SITUATION WE SHOULDN’T GIVE UP OUR LIFE AND ITS AS IF WE ARE NOT COMMAND BUT HERE THAT IS NOT THE CASE AND ITS CONSIDERED GOING AGAINST THE COMMANDMENT.
גדול המחטיאו יותר מו ההרגו
Thanks everyone for the interesting comments on this thread! All too often I find myself changing my opinion on a topic due to the thoughtful comments on the internet and this post is no exception. And thank you Dan, JJ and Mimi for everything you do with this site!
Airlines should be concerned with the safety of the passengers. From the moment they board to the moment they leave. Meals are a luxury and I propose they stop offering them. Or at least stop accommodating everyone. “This is our meal – take it or leave it.”
I was wondering when the spirit airlines marketing team would join the conversation.
I thought it was the flight attendant that wrote this on the box. Not the catering company.
Once had our AA flight Paris to JFK got cancelled. They rebooked us on BA through London.
Obviously our pre-ordered KSML on AA was not being transferred to the BA planes.
On our flight from London to NY, we explained our predicament to the FA.
She ended up bringing us some First Class KSMLs from some passengers who heard about us from the FA, and said they wouldn’t be using it. Until then we had no idea that first class KSML was way way fancier than economy. They served duck on real china with BA logos. All pre wrapped with the hechsher by kedassia. I guess BA provided the kosher catering with their (new) china.
We were so impressed, we put some of the pre wrapped meals in our bags.
Later the FA came to collect the dishes. We then realized it was supposed to be returned and recycled, not discarded. When she realized we had packed it, she said we can keep it. We still use the china. lol
Is this common practice today for KSML in first class to be way fancier etc?
Sure. Especially with BA out of London.
And yes, kosher caterers use the airline’s china. It’s new of course, but when it’s been used it goes into the regular china supply.
What a horrible response from Air France IMHO. Worse than the original infraction.
This wasn’t a case of “confusing identification” like they “regretfully” state. It was an obvious attempt to denigrate the person who only eats kosher food by pretending a meal was KSML – when it CLEARLY wasn’t.
Most people don’t understand Kosher. Even those trained.
At some point people will (hopefully) learn that Airlines like Lufthansa and Air France are not airlines that we should flying even if the ticket is $50 cheaper. I stopped basing my decisions on price only long ago. Airlines that treat us decently deserve our business, airlines that don’t, don’t. Not complicated.
Also there is always the possibility that they will suddenly cancel your return and you will be stranded. They have done this many times before and I am sure that they will do it again.
In general this is no different than a restaurant, grocery store or anywhere else. There is no ability to trust the staff on statements or anything written. The meal needs to be sealed with certification in which case a monetary lawsuit can be brought against anyone using the certification improperly. It is a shame as Air France should just agree to retrain the involved parties and send out internal memos. It sounds like they did not understand the nuances… which is very common. The kosher traveler needs to be aware of the Jewish Law requirements involved. The crew should not have even been asked. No seal with a valid certification… the meal is not kosher. They should have been told this is not a kosher meal, thank you anyway.
100 percent correct. Kashrus basics. It needs certification an a seal. Otherwise it’s worthless – both from a logical standpoint and as well, and more importantly, from a halacha standpoint. Even if it came from a kosher source it would be prohibited if it didn”t have proper identifying seals.
No self respecting kosher consumer should eat something based on a scribbled KSML.
This of course does not excuse the airline….
Kosher is a privilege not a right.
It is neither. It is a legal status.
To Reuben
Sorry, Kosher is no way a privilege. Kosher is a multi-regulation-certified food that cannot be marketed like it would be for exotic food, for example.
No-one can fool over a gluten-free, of salt-free, or meat-free or lactose-free product. Kosher food is not different: it can only be produced by trained professionals. It can certainly not be basically “renamed” by a FA or by an airline catering worker.
I guess I need to chime in here. Between Amtrak and airlines, I think we’ve had more “sorry, no food for you!” than Kosher meals served. We are nice people. We can accept that things go wrong and a Kosher request gets misplaced or a supplier messes up. We keep enough snacks with us that so far, we have not starved.
What I have never had happen (so far) is a non-Kosher meal presented as Kosher. That is out-&-out fraud and in my opinion, worth a suit. FAs need to learn to apologize for lacking a meal rather than trying to gaslight us.
Kosher food cannot be visually identified by FA. If it was earmarked for KSML then the caterer is at fault, but to warrant a lawsuit? Would you rather the airline not pack food at all? Maybe some in the group heard the food issue and decided to eat the food anyway. To make it sound like the FA have nothing better to do than deceive individuals who may or may not dress like a jew, or follow the same tenets as a religious jew, just serves to sell a story.
This is not the same as a food allergy, sorry but you may have practicing jews find this kills the spirit than you can chose to bring your own food or it is your right not to use the airline.
If the airline doesn’t chose to change their caterer’s policies or contract with another caterer than you know their stance moving forward. I don’t see this as being malicious but more of an untrained person with the catering company or procedure that just needs to be adapted moving forward..
When I first read the nut allergy/kosher meal I thought it was a joke. After reading the comments I see it isn’t. So, the answer is no it is not the same. Totally different planets. Do they have a case against the airlines is a different question.
100 percent destroying your soul is much worse!
No one’s soul was destroyed even if one existed.
Why? Bottom line is: the airline crew directly lied about the ingredients of the meal their cusomers paid for. It doesn’t matter how “important” it is, if it’s life saving or not, because it is not for the air crew to know or decide.
There are many reasons to ask for a kosher meal, such as decreased risk of it touching milk. I know people with severe milk allergies who ask for kosher meals because they trust it more. Do the FA ask each and every person about their allergies to decide whether to lie to their faces or not??
According to one online source, totallyjewishtravel, Mauritius has a Jewish population of 150. Total population of 1.2 million is mostly Hindu, Muslim and Christian. AI reports, however, that there are resorts with restaurants that serve kosher meals. Is this the best choice for a holiday with kids, if you are concerned about keeping strictly kosher? But for some parents, the challenge might be half the fun. Part of that challenge, though, should be having Plan B for the flight back home.
Ouch! Bob with the mussar!
Places with less kosher food are more enticing for me personally…
Divora posted on DDF that her suitcase with kosher food got lost along the way.
To Bob – The in-flight kosher meal supply has nothing to do with jewish population figures in the countries of departure or destination.
On various airlines, I’v had kosher meals in some flights with zero Jews living in the country that I was departing from.
When i flew with Aegean and I got The “Kosher meal” i got it in a plastic container with a thin plastic cover (no 2 Kisiyim) and as a side snack i got treifa strawberry’s chocolate coated with no Hechsher at all
I’m trying to understand something… did you mean that the strawberries weren’t properly schechted? Or the shechita was not up to your standards? Or they didn’t check the strawberry’s lungs? I am so confused. Here I was thinking Trief only applied to land animals… Silly me! I always thought one could just check fruits and vegetables for bug infestation and that was good enough. You learn something new every day!
Also, I guess I am not up-to-date on the latest standards of kashrus, either. I always thought that the only thing that needed a double seal were meat products. I guess I better stop buying basically everything in the stores, since they all only have a single seal…
If the chocolate covered strawberries were included in the kosher tray, then the kashrus card that they all contain should have the details on that.
That’s wat I am telling here that the meat did not come with 2 Kisyuim. and beside from this Kashrus issue, we got next to the portion chocolate coated strawberries, with no Hechsher at all!! (the same as The Goiyim got)
@dan, i LOVE the hack of the Hot Logic, but anyone else here ever do it? experience?
I’d be afraid that the FA or other passengers would look on and freak out, just because its not the norm….idk
I have used it many times. I’ve even seen FAs using it for their own meals!
That being said, I use it discreetly.
In business class, where discretion is possible.
Done it in coach too with the family.
My parents just flew AF from ATL and only got offered a vegetarian instead if kosher
yeh you should sue them kosher is not a joke and it will prevent other airlines from not tricking peaple
Ridiculous.
There was nothing malicious about this.
Just a crew unaware of kashrus and trying to help.
Stop giving Jews a bad name.
Teach your kids we don’t eat without checking the hechsher first.
This is a bad situation, but please stop comparing it to an allergy. This is not the same thing, and is distressing to me as someone with anaphylactic allergies. It is completely not appropriate to be misled about the kosher status of vegetarian food, but it is not a potential deadly deception. Not the same thing.
am sorry that ur allergic but to me kosher is the same we are proud jews and dont be embarressed about it