Update: After up uproar and confusion in the aviation world and from IATA about the purpose of this ban, Israel is taking a step back and inviting airlines and stakeholders to state their objections in writing and email the IAA by 10/2, before a final decision is made.
Do you think Israel will walk back this rule?
יורדים מהעץ? אחרי שפורסם שברש״ת יאסרו נחיתת מטוסים עם ארבעה מנועים בנתבג (שיקולי רעש וסביבה) ואחרי הביקורת שנשמעה מכיוון יאטא כפי שפרסם @DanielSal_87, ברש״ת מפרסמים מכתב שקורא לחברות התעופה להשמיע את טענותיהן ״בטרם תתקבל החלטה בעניין״ pic.twitter.com/UnLyJMUR8G
— Michal Raz Chaimovitz | 'מיכל רז חיימוביץ (@gotomichal) September 8, 2022
Originally posted on 9/1:
The Israel Airports Authority (IAA) announced that effective 3/31/23 planes with 4 engines are banned from landing in Israel.
Commercial aircraft with 4 engines include the 747, A340, and A380. No airlines currently fly those planes to Israel, though there are cargo 747s that fly to Israel. El Al retired their 747s before the pandemic.
The IAA says that the ban is due to environmental, sustainability, and noise concerns, though planes like the 747 and A380 can be more efficient than smaller aircraft when fully loaded with passengers or cargo.
Emirates currently flies 2 daily 777s and there were rumors that they would fly their flagship A380, featuring their famous in-flight showers and bar, to Tel Aviv thanks to the route’s outstanding performance. However this rule will seemingly put an end to those hopes. Perhaps that’s what the rule is hoping to accomplish?
If you still want to fly on the 747, your options are rapidly dwindling. I flew on United’s final 747 flight some 5 years ago. Still flying the Queen of the Skies include Air China (747-400 and 747-8), Asiana (747-400), Korean Air which flies the 747-8 on routes like Seoul to/from Honolulu and Los Angeles, and Lufthansa which flies the 747-8 on routes like Frankfurt to/from Chicago, Houston, JFK, Los Angeles, Miami, Newark, San Francisco, and Washington D.C.
Otherwise, you can always settle for the AMEX augmented reality 747 site that will land a 747 in your home.
The IAA says that permits for 4 engine aircraft will be granted only in exceptional cases. Presumably that means Air Force One, currently operated by the 747-200 and later this decade to be flown by an updated 747-8, will still be allowed to visit the holy land. 😉
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Here goes Israel again, making unnecessary rules just to annoy people
It’s just trying to show the towns around the airport that we r really!! Trying
We call it israbluff
If these types of planes aren’t even currently being flown to Israel and most airlines are moving away from these types of planes what’s the purpose of a ban?
My guess is exactly what the article mentioned: Emirates. EK flying their A380 to TLV would give more competition to El Al, especially for flights to other parts of Asia. To be fair, though, this would also mean that TLV wouldn’t need to maintain ADG VI stands and taxiways, which can be a non-trivial cost savings. All passenger airliners except the 747-8 and A380 can fit in an ADG V stand (including even the coming 777X, since its wingtips fold up).
Lufthansa still flies the 747-4 as well.
Not to Israel
LH flies relatively new 748 aircraft.
They fly both
What’s the real incentive behind this? Maybe a security concern of some sort? If the goal truly was environmentalism, there are many more effective ways to achieve the result, such as requiring a certain average load factor on routes, or even paying carbon offset fees.
There is no security concern with bigger planes.
Their main argument is noise.
@Agoldsc1 how does a carbon offset fee help the environent?
@eli When you return an externalized cost to a company’s bottom line, bad actors are incentivised to clean up their act. Similarly, good actors are incentivised to lower their pollution in order to provide a boost to their bottom lines.
My $.2: it’s to avoid the need of maintaining the wider clearance these aircraft need at taxiways and parking stands when there anyway not visiting TLV, add the environmental PR stunt to the mix and it’s a no brainer!
.2 is twenty cents.
Actually, newer 2 engine aircraft need more clearance since wider wingspan enhances economical flying.
Every twin engine (777x when wings folded) fit in the standard 64 meter box, none on the banned list do.
It’s true that all twins will fit, but so will all variants of the A340 and all variants of the 747 before the -8. Only the 747-8 and A380 do not fit.
So all you have to do to fly to Israel in a 747 is to become POTUS.
Who lobbied them to do this so it is not a blatant prevention for the Emirates A380?
What if it identifies itself as a regular airplane?
Air Force one is technically a military plane so my guess is that the IAA doesn’t have authority over it. I’m sure Israel would have no problem with C-130s or B-52s which have 4 engines.
B-52’s have 8 🙂
I stand corrected. I’m sure they wouldn’t have a problem with the Mirya (if it is repairable) either with its 6 engines.
“Air Force One”, the VC-25, is a highly modified -200, not -400.
Correct, thanks.
Lame
i beleieve the Air Force One 747’s are 200’s not 400s.
Just the opposite Dan. The true reason they’re instituting this ban is because they don’t want Air Force One to come there. Joke Biden is about to sign a new deal with the Iranians.
Doesn’t Swiss occasionally fly an A340 to TLV?
A340 pilots refer to the engines as huge hair dryers due to their high noise and low thrust.
I live a short distance from the runway of TLV. One of the landing paths passes directly over my porch. The roar never bothers me. It’s actually quite exciting to watch the planes passing slowly 1,000 feet or so above our heads. No noise concern for me. (Of course I cannot speak for people living even closer to the runway or on the takeoff routes nor for light sleepers. I speak only for my household.)
So do I. Maybe we are neighbors…. But if you’re in KS, it actually passes at around 2,500 – 3,500 ft. (depending on the angle it turns at). Unless you live closer to TLV than that.
Anyone who lives here knows that the Israeli government (PARTICULARLY but not limited to the current administration) is fanatical about anything environment. They are doing this because they care. The fact that you or I may feel it is grossly misguided (and in this case, as has been pointed out, there is almost no change) has never been considered relevant. Hence the seven shekel (more than $2) cost for a package of 50 junky small plastic plates that happened overnight (before that it was 3 1/3 shekel), thanks to their tax on plastics they added last year, or the 35% raise in the cost of soft drinks due to the tax on that. And this was before inflation…
This tax was also assessed for political motivations.
Maybe they don’t want to buy/support the 2-story jetways required for an A380, and this way they can ban it with a ‘class’ of aircraft instead of that specific one?
Those aren’t required for the A380. Most airports served by the A380 don’t have them, either. There are stairs inside the aircraft, just as with the 747.
Flew first class on the old Tower air 747 back in the 1990’s. Loved being on the second floor, even if it was just JFK -> FLL
What about Joe’s Air Force One?
was this reversed? lately Challenger is flying in 744 and was even involved in incident @ TLV on 7/18