[Final Hours, Here’s What I Did] Will You Transfer Miles To Hawaiian Before The Bonus Ends Tonight?

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Update, 8/31: I transferred over 500K AMEX points (and a $99 transfer fee) and received my 600K Hawaiian miles. Here’s hoping they turn into 600K Alaska miles by next year!

Here is the expected value formula behind my gamble.

Don’t gamble more than you can afford to lose. I’m sitting on more than 8 million AMEX points, which means that if the gamble fails, it won’t hurt too badly.

The 20% transfer bonus ends tonight at 11:59pm MT.

 

Update, 8/30: United has made concerns known to the DOT about losing marketing and loyalty agreements it has for interisland flying with Hawaiian. I don’t think the DOT will deny the merger based on those concerns, though it can require those agreements to continue.

Alaska has told DansDeals that they have no comment on the Beat of Hawaii report that Alaska informed them that miles would transfer from Hawaiian at a 1:1 ratio.

We reached out to Beat of Hawaii, which confirmed that a contact at Alaska mentioned several months ago that miles would transfer at a 1:1 ratio, but that word didn’t come from Alaska on the record. The contact did not reconfirm that stance when asked this past week.

Where does that leave us?

  • The merger is more than likely to go through, but as noted below, Alaska edited its original press release to state that government review is still ongoing. The Trump DOJ approved the AA-JetBlue alliance before the Biden DOJ successfully challenged it in court, so anything can happen.
  • The miles are more than likely to transfer at a 1:1 ratio, but Alaska isn’t saying that on the record.
  • A 20% transfer bonus is sweet, but is also risky. The safer bet is to wait until things are more firm. It’s possible that mileage transfers end before then, but there will probably be a heads up before then that transfers are ending. Whether we will know the mileage transfer ratio by that point is anyone’s guess.

With all that being said, I do plan on transferring points to Hawaiian by tomorrow as I think the upside outweighs the risks here, though I won’t transfer as much as I originally planned to.

What will you do?

The AMEX-Hawaiian transfer bonus ends at 11:59pm MT on 8/31.

Update, 8/23: As noted by Gary Leff, Alaska has edited its original press release about the merger. It originally stated that “The time period for the U.S. Department of Justice to complete its regulatory investigation of the proposed combination of Alaska Airlines and Hawaiian Airlines under the HSR Act has expired.”

It now states that, “The time period during which the parties were prohibited from closing under the HSR Act has expired. The government’s review is ongoing.

Ouch.

That will definitely change the calculus on whether to transfer now or wait for more clarity without a 20% bonus.

In other news, Beat of Hawaii writes that Alaska confirmed to them that Hawaiian miles will transfer to Alaska miles at a 1:1 ratio. We have reached out to Alaska multiple times to confirm the same but have only received the original statement that “any miles accrued in Hawaiian Airlines’ loyalty program will be carried into the new program.” We have also reached out to Beat of Hawaii for clarity on what Alaska wrote to them.

For now, I’m still in a holding pattern before deciding what to do. What are your plans?


Originally posted on 8/20:

The Department of Justice surprised everyone today when it cleared the path for Alaska Airlines to acquire Hawaiian Airlines with no strings attached.

That came after the Biden DOJ successfully sued to block JetBlue from having a Northeast Alliance with American that the Trump DOJ had approved, and after the Biden DOJ successfully sued to block JetBlue from acquiring Spirit.

The merger still needs the blessing of the Department of Transportation, but that is expected to clear easily. Hawaiian shareholders have already approved the transaction.

Unlike with most mergers, Alaska will keep the Hawaiian Airlines brand around. However, the combined airline will operate solely under Alaska’s flying certificate and OneWorld Alliance. Alaska has confirmed that the airlines will share a joint loyalty program under one platform and Hawaiian elites will have their status honored by Alaska and OneWorld. The combined company will be managed by Alaska Airlines under current management and the Alaska mileage program will be the surviving one.

Alaska is currently an all-Boeing carrier while Hawaiian has a mixed fleet. While Alaska ditched the Airbus aircraft acquired from its Virgin America acquisition, this fleet is far more extensive and includes widebody planes. Currently, Alaska doesn’t have any widebody aircraft and doesn’t fly outside of North America. I’d expect them to keep the Airbus’ (Airbii?) around and expand long-haul international service from their Seattle hub in addition to the Honolulu hub.

When the merger was announced last year, Alaska said it expected the merger to close between December 2024-June 2025.

This creates a unique opportunity for mileage junkies.

No major bank points transfer to Alaska Airlines. That’s a pity as Alaska has an excellent mileage program that offers outsized value on both domestic and international flights on partner OneWorld airlines like American.

They charge just 4,500 miles in coach and 9,000 miles in first class for domestic flights up to 700 miles in distance, such as NYC to Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, or Toronto, or Newark-Chicago.

 

They charge just 7,500 miles in coach and 15,000 miles in first class for domestic flights up to 1,400 miles in distance such as Miami to NYC or Dallas. Or fly in Australia and New Zealand for the same rate:

 

NYC to London is just 22.5K miles in coach or 45K miles in business class with no fuel surcharges on American.

 

 

NYC to Morroco is just 27.5K miles in coach or 55K miles in business class:

 

Those are incredible bargains now that Avios have been so devalued.

You can open a new Alaska Airlines Visa Signature® credit card and you can get Buy One, Get One + 50,000 Bonus Miles! Buy one ticket, get one for just the taxes and fees ($0 fare plus taxes and fees from $23) and get 50,000 bonus miles with this offer. To qualify, make $3,000 or more in purchases within the first 90 days of opening your account.

AMEX, Capital One, Chase, and Citi cards offer the ability to earn anywhere from 1.5-10 points per dollar, but none of those currencies transfer to Alaska.

You can however transfer AMEX points to Hawaiian at a 1:1 ratio. You can rack up points on cards like The Blue Business® Plus Credit Card from American Express which earns 2 points per dollar everywhere on up to $50K in annual spending.

In fact, until 8/31 you can get a 20% bonus on transfers to Hawaiian. Best of all, Hawaiian miles never expire.

It’s fair to assume with at least 95% confidence that the Alaska-Hawaiian merger will go through. There is still a non-zero risk of it failing to happen, but the major hurdle has been cleared.

It’s also fair to assume with at least 99% confidence that Hawaiian miles will become Alaska miles at a 1:1 ratio. In the words of Alaska Airlines, “The two airlines’ loyalty programs will be integrated into a single shared loyalty program, and any miles accrued in Hawaiian Airlines’ loyalty program will be carried into the new program.”

I don’t see any plausible way that statement can be twisted to allow Hawaiian miles to be carried over at less than parity. It would alienate the very customers Alaska is acquiring and would surely turn into a costly lawsuit.

The 20% bonus means that 3,750 AMEX points would be enough for a short-haul coach flight on American, or 7,500 AMEX points would pay for first class!

The real question here is will Alaska devalue its points before the merger or soon after a merger? Alaska just made their award chart in March, so it should be a while before they devalue. Airlines rarely devalue in middle of a merger process, so things should be safe for the short-term. On the other hand, Alaska has made devaluations in the past without warning, which does make me wary about pre-emptive transfers.

It’s possible that Alaska will keep Hawaiian’s partnership with AMEX, but it’s far more likely that transfer option will end with the merger. You could try waiting for another bonus to Hawaiian, though the last 20% bonus ended in January 2023, so it’s pretty unlikely that we will see another one before the merger closes.

You can lower your risk by waiting until AMEX announces an end date for transfers to Hawaiian, though you would likely lose out on the 20% bonus option and you risk transfers ending without an announcement. AMEX did provide notice when Continental merged with United, and AMEX transfers to Continental ended 5 months before the end of Continental and the final flight.

I hate making speculative mileage transfers, but I’m going to have to make an exception here.

Sure, it’s a gamble, but the odds of a potential outsized payoff seem to outweigh the risks in this case.

I’m sitting on more than 8 million AMEX points and generally find them somewhat less valuable than Capital One and Chase points, so transferring over a million AMEX points for what should become 1.2 million Alaska miles seems worthwhile, even if it’s not without some risk.

In the meantime, there are still 11 more days until the bonus ends, so I’ll hang tight and make a final decision about how many points to transfer before the bonus ends on 8/31 at 11:59pm MT.

Will you transfer AMEX points to Hawaiian with a 20% bonus in anticipation of an Alaska-Hawaiian merger?

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Agoldsc1

I hope this works out for you, but I don’t agree with your conclusion that the points will certainly convert at a 1:1 ratio based on their language that “The two airlines’ loyalty programs will be integrated into a single shared loyalty program, and any miles accrued in Hawaiian Airlines’ loyalty program will be carried into the new program”. To me, all that says is that the Hawaiian points will be converted to Alaska miles, nothing about the ratio.

This is reminiscent of the period prior to the elimination of Marriott 7-day certificates, when many of us tried to darshen the transfer ratios from Marriott’s official statements, only to be sorely disappointed.

Hopefully you are right, but it’s always a gamble.

Chaim

Appreciate your honest take, but if theres a lot of big speculative transfers from the CC miles community doesn’t that increase the risk that Alaska would devalue?

ML

So why the rush to transfer now instead of wait?

DD

Curious as to why not transfer to Schwab and cash out $88,000 tax free instead?

ML

$88k???

Chaim

What does that mean Amex points transfer to Schwab?

Nuch a Yid

Because 1 Million miles strategically used for actual travel, likely comes out to be more valuable than $88K.

Nuch a Yid

Typed my response before seeing Dan’s.
Basically number 4 but even if by some strange chance it was 88K vs 11K. 120K still better.

matovu

nice post

Memere613

Very interesting

Maifriend

I was thinking about applying for both cc and wait for the merger of both programs.

Ely

In theory I love the idea. But if there’s one thing Reb Dan always taught me was that airline points always have the potential to be downgraded and you should just stick with Bank points. And boy did we learn that over the last few months… I think for you it’s worth it but for most probably a little risky.

Still love the post!

Jake

Too bad partnership with El Al ended. I was able to book 3 flights from MIA to TLV for 45k in Premium.

My08701

I’ve never used Hawaiian points before. For a worse case scenario, what can Hawaiian points be used for if Chalila it doesn’t go the way you are hoping for?

Johnny, CPA

a million miles!
Wow!

Tommy

One thing I don’t see noted is that Amex charges a small fee for transfers to domestic airlines ($0.0006 per point/mile up to a maximum of $99). I like the strategy and probably not a huge difference maker, but worth considering as part of the gamble.

Shaul

Why wouldn’t Alaska keep the amex partnership? Are bank partnerships very lucrative from the airline side?

Work-for-ur-muny

Those are many ifs to line up. That is also relying on their word that they will leave Hawaiian miles as is. #HertzHurts comes to mind.

al613

Let’s say I do the transfer and the merger doesn’t happen. Any good uses for Hawaiian miles?

Nate

How do you have 8 million miles? Whoa! Please let me in on this one…

shmo

99% seems a little overconfident

Mendy

Love your post dan, it’s got your personality writen all over it
Q. If i have 1m amex and 1m capital one, ever since Turkish lifted thier milage prices (besides thier lack of availability many times) why wouldn’t I want to use my capital one points to transfer especially since I get back 35% on my preferred airline with my Amex platinum?
In other words why is capital one worth more then amex in your opinion

Or would you say thier somewhat the same but since you have sooo much more amex you used those ones.

nudnik

what the difference between 95% certainty and 90%

JB

how can i transfer points now to alaska?

GUWonder

Transfer to hotel program to transfer to Alaska, but I am going the Hawaiian route with my much smaller stash of Amex points. I get too much value out of AS miles not to take the chance with the Hawaiian route.

Danfan

If I would have 8M points, and a platform as large as Dan’s to make a fuss if the plan doesn’t work out, I would absolutely transfer…

Yechezkel Gabaie

Can you please post a list of all potential opportunities with Alaska miles?

Zalman

From what I see, AlsskaAir charges a fee to book mileage tickets with partners (which aren’t refundable is I cancel the ticket).

You may be also be subject to one or more of the following service fees:
$15 nonrefundable call center booking fee — for new awards booked over the phone.
$12.50 nonrefundable partner award fee — applies to all awards using one of our airline partners per person, each way.

Miriam

Why isn’t nyc to montreal coming up on a Alaska if Toronto does?

Kivabb

So if this merger works, the Alaska Airlines Visa card free ticket will work to Hawaii as well?

Joe

Can you redeem AA miles through Alaska Airlines website? When I search a flight on AA.com vs Alaskaairlines.com the prices are way more on aa.com.

Dhammer53

I recently used Alaska miles for a R/T AA flight. FYI, Alaska charged less miles than AA on AA metal!

GUWonder

That’s pretty typical for me, as AA usually wants at least 8k AA miles or way more AA miles for the very same AA flights for which AS wants 4.5K AS miles but $12.50 more in cash than AA.

AS program is my short haul redemption replacement for my use of BA miles for short-haul AA flights.

Are you going to be at the FT Mod Do at the hotel in LA on November 2nd or the dinner for it?

Dhammer53

I was a guest at TWA MOD dinner… and got Covid.

LS90

What about the excise tax, any way to avoid it? Will you uses points to pay it?

Vlad

Definitely use cash and not points to pay this. They give you a terrible points rate, 0.5 CPP.

Yankel

Q: what score do I need to have to open a Blue Business® Plus Credit Card from American Express ?

AJK

Great post.

BG

My guess is that a new mileage program is created for the combined program, and all miles from Alaska and Hawaiian are transferred to the new program, but redemption rates will be much higher and ruin the value here. I am staying far away from this!

as

Agreed. Reports are that this was said in the interview as well altho i did not take the time to listed to it. Surprised Dan isnt concerned about this possibilty.

JA

“Maximum Transfer 999,000 points”

DENIED!

usernamechuck

I happened across this on beatofhawaii.com:

Daniel A., a reader, asked today, “Aloha BOH, thanks for your reporting. Where did you find Alaska making the commitment that Hawaiian Miles would transfer 1:1 to Alaska? In a press release?”
While there hasn’t been a formal press release to our knowledge, Alaska Airlines has confirmed this in writing, by email in June 2024, to Beat of Hawaii.

https://beatofhawaii.com/what-happens-to-hawaiianmiles-and-credit-card-amidst-alaska-deal/

xbox 360

just curious on the breakdown of that statement that you think is hard to twist into converting at less that 1-1

BT

Love the post and it sounds tempting, but I’m haunted by a nice amount of expiring Turkish miles that I can’t find a use for after their sudden brutal deval. Can’t even book United domestic because they’ve stopped releasing X to partners

Nate

Bit of a mileage newb here, but I’ve been saving my AMEX points to take my wife to Japan next year. Currently, I’m sitting at 170k. From what I can tell, transferring with the 20% bonus seems like a good option for us as long as the merger goes through. What do you think?

Chaim

That not enough to risk.
Currently JAL has inventory for 2025
Transfer to avios for 20% bonus and book with qatar.

BitConcerned

In before follow up post asking readers to write in to DOT,local Senator, POTUS,SCOTUS and Sarah Palin when this doesn’t pan out.

David

Do you think these points would count towards Million Miler status on Alaska when they combine programs?

S

Booked PHL to MCO on AA for 24K Amex points round trip via Qantas.
With this, I’d have just needed 12.5K Amex points, 15K after bonus, that’s Alaskan rate.
This method would nearly double my redemption.

a

I’m going to wait till 8/31 to decide. Then on 8/31 I will be busy and forget about it.

jb

I want to fly from nyc to PITT nexxt week august 26 come back august 27th.. Alasks was 4500 each way but i dnt have alaska points..anone want to swap some points for amex points? AVIOS website all week when i check avios rewards says technical difficulties so i cant even check them

tassojunior

Just as important, my guess is the Barclays and the BOA cards will both stay since they’re even keeping the branding.

Cody

@Dan why don’t you post on the Capital One transfer bonus to Qantas?

cook

Would appreciate a re-evaluation or assessment of sorts on the morning of the deadline of the transfer bonus. Also, it would be helpful to know the redemption value on Hawaiian (partners, routes, redemption rates) to calculate risk/gain if they remain stuck in Hawaiian’s FF program in the event the merger fails. Thank you!

Rick

Dan, any updates on what you are thinking about doing? I set up a HI airlines account and transferred 1000 points from AMEX so I would be ready to transfer more.

Shaila

How many are you transferring @dan

chaim

if hawaiin miles have no expiration and alaska miles do can alska airlines after the merger make hawaiin miles expire even though when they were earned they were earned with no expiration

hungl99

Just discover this: “Every time you transfer points into a U.S. airline frequent flyer program, your linked Card account will be charged an excise tax offset fee of $0.0006 per point (with a maximum fee of $99). We charge this fee to offset the federal excise tax we must pay when you transfer points. You may need to use points to pay this fee. You will be able to review these details before completing the transfer.” For a 50,000 Amex points, I have to pay $30 to transfer my Amex points to Hawaii Airlines (US based airlines)…Do you have to pay the same fee as mine?

Tuna beigel

I think it will happen but they don’t want everyone transferring their miles especially at a bonus therefore being very vague.

Shaila

I’m on the fence here.. any verdict if should and how many?

Junkyardunz

I did 100k TBD if it was the right move

Shaila

How much do you have total?
I did about 80k..

Sy

The EV math makes sense only if you think that you’ll be able to get 1.9 c per point (or close to it) in the new program. Nothing stopping Alaska from jacking up rates to make their miles into Pesos.

Tuna beigel

Amex still seems to be offering it after 12 as of now, does it work for anyone?

A

I transferred 175k out of 1.2 million Amex points. Hoping for the best. The biggest risk I see is that Alaskan changes their mileage program with the merger. Otherwise I would have transferred more.

Shaila

Still works?

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