Update, 6/2/23: News coverage is reporting that the DOT has fined British Airways $1.1 million for delayed refunds during COVID, though it’s actually just a $550K fine after a $550K credit for past refunds issued that weren’t required. British Airways remains devious in their response to the DOT, claiming their hold time averaged just 10 minutes when in fact their phone line would just disconnect without connecting you to an agent. The response also ignores that BA removed the automated refund option during COVID.
It’s great to see the DOT enforcing their rules, but will this slap on the wrist be enough to encourage future good behavior?
On the other hand, LATAM was actually fined $1,000,000 for delayed refunds during COVID.
Originally posted on 11/15/22:
At the beginning of the pandemic, many airlines took the position that non-refundable flights were non-refundable, even if they were cancelled by the airline. Until that point it was clearly understood that non-refundable was referring to the consequence for passengers voluntarily cancelling their ticket.
United tried claiming that flights weren’t cancelled if they could find you an alternate flight within 25 hours and that passengers would have to wait a year for a refund.
JetBlue also refused refunds unless flights were changed by more than 24 hours.
The DOT announced in April 2020 that airlines had to provide timely refunds for US flights that they cancelled.
The DOT announced again in May that fines would be coming for airlines that failed to come into compliance with timely refunds. The DOT highlighted United’s new policy as being deceptive and unfair.
That forced United and JetBlue to resume their pre-pandemic refund policy for cancelled and changed flights.
But airlines like El Al continued to refuse refunds.
To be fair, US taxpayers bailed out US airlines, while airlines like El Al didn’t receive anything like that. But the DOT didn’t take bailouts into consideration.
Air Canada was the only airline that refused to cooperate by challenging the DOTs authority to force airlines to offer refunds. In the end they used that to squeeze a bailout out of the Canadian government, but the DOT tried to fine them over $25 million.
The DOT announced yesterday that they have assessed fines and required refunds from more airlines as follows:
- Frontier – $222 million in required refunds paid and a $2.2 million penalty
- Air India – $121.5 million in required refunds paid and a $1.4 million penalty
- TAP Portugal – $126.5 million in required refunds paid and a $1.1 million penalty
- Aeromexico – $13.6 million in required refunds paid and a $900,000 penalty
- El Al – $61.9 million in required refunds paid and a $900,000 penalty
- Avianca – $76.8 million in required refunds paid and a $750,000 penalty
I guess JetBlue and United got off without fines because they came into compliance after the DOT announced that COVID-19 wasn’t a valid reason to refuse refunds? Still, I’m surprised that other airlines, like many in the Lufthansa Group, got away without penalties for their failing to issue timely refunds even after the DOT announcements.
The fines are due to violating DOT rules on deceptive practices, which includes requiring airlines to provide timely refunds for flights cancelled by the airline, without having to “haggle or wait months to get your refund.”
That sounds great, but the announcement itself is somewhat deceptive, to make this sound like a bigger deal than it is.
It’s no surprise that news media is getting this wrong by reporting that airlines will have to make those refunds and pay $7.25 million in fines, based on the DOT announcement.
In fact, those are refunds the airlines have already made since the start of the pandemic, so they aren’t being forced to pay out more refunds. And those fines aren’t actually as large as they seem.
For example, I wrote last year about Air Canada agreeing to a $4.5 million DOT fine for failing to provide timely refunds, but the actual amount paid to the US treasury as per the agreement was just $2 million.
And sure enough, if you look at the enforcement orders for each airline, you can see the actual assessed fines:
- El Al’s “$900,000 fine” is actually $450,000, “in consideration of refunds it provided to passengers with non-refundable tickets for flights to or from the United States who chose not to travel and were not entitled to refunds under U.S. law.”
- Frontier’s “$2,200,000 fine” is actually $1,000,000 as, “$1,200,000 shall be credited to Frontier for refunds provided to passengers who voluntarily cancelled their non-refundable tickets.“
- TAP’s “$1,100,000 fine” is actually $550,000 as, “The remaining $550,000 shall be credited to TAP Air Portugal for refunds that TAP Air Portugal provided to passengers with non-refundable tickets for flights to or from the United States who chose not to travel and were not entitled to refunds under U.S. law.”
- Avianca’s “$750,000 fine” is actually $375,000 as, “$375,000 shall be credited to Avianca upon the service date of this order in consideration of the approximately $4.4 million in refunds it provided to passengers with non-refundable tickets for flights to or from the U.S. who chose not to travel and were not entitled to refunds under U.S. law.”
- Aeromexico appears to have a true $900,000 fine, as they didn’t claim to offer any refunds to people who didn’t deserve them under U.S. law.
- Air India appears to have a true $1,400,000 fine, as they didn’t claim to offer any refunds to people who didn’t deserve them under U.S. law.
That’s an actual total of $4,675,000 in fines against those 6 airlines in my book, but I guess the DOT uses the bigger number to make it sound more impressive despite it not actually being owed.
Of course the real reason for these fines is to discourage future bad behavior. But will a $550,000 penalty against an airline that held onto over $125 million of passenger funds actually do that? Somehow I doubt it, as they probably made far more than that in just the interest earned from holding onto those funds for so long.
But hey, it’s certainly good that we have the US DOT (and not the Canada Transportation Agency) to keep the airlines honest, otherwise I have no doubt that many airlines would have tried to keep all the money from flights that they cancelled.
What do you think of these penalties?
Have a dispute with an airline that you can’t get resolved? File a DOT informal or formal complaint to help get it fixed!
HT: chff
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I filed a DOT formal complaint against Norwegian for a flight they cancelled in May 2020 and didn’t refund, but no response from DOT or the airline after several attempts. Any ideas on what else to try? Should I file another complaint?
You filed informal or formal?
If it’s formal there should be a public link for it. If you send me that link I can reach out to the DOT for a follow up.
I don’t have a link so I may have gotten them mixed up and just filed an informal. I’ll try filing a formal one now.
Pete Butegege needs credit.
for being deceptive?
Joke fines.
This is how you encourage bad behavior.
How does someone present this with a straight face knowing it’s so deceptive?!
I twice filed a claim with the CTA over a Air Canada flight that was delayed over 3 hours (which by their laws entitles me to some $$) and have yet to receive a response.
Mind you, I filed the complaint May 7th!
“El Al’s “$900,000 fine” is actually $450,000, “in consideration of refunds it provided to passengers with non-refundable tickets for flights to or from the United States who chose not to travel and were not entitled to refunds under U.S. law.”
what does this mean? refunds were issued for travelers who had a flight but wanted to cancel without a valid basis? Airlines were actually nice in this respect?
Thats what it looks like. Seems like El Al is nicer than we all thought. Probably due to haredi ownership.
So the press release itself was deceptive?
Last year I booked a flight over Christmas weekend on Tap Portugal and they said they’d only give me a credit for the next twelve months. I haven’t used the credit. Does this mean I will get a refund? Get the credit extended? or the credit will still expire in December?
Did they cancel it?
No I did, so I guess that answers my question
How does the cheapest airline in the us have the biggest amount of money withheld? And how did they have 222 million dollars of flights scheduled at the onset of the pandemic?
How does this work? I had a JetBlue flight that was cancelled due to the weather which was perfectly fine. They rescheduled me for the next day, which means I needed to pay an extra night for accommodations and an extra day on my rental car. This was back in January 2022 so probably too late in any case…
This is just for a refund of the flight if it’s cancelled and you don’t take a replacement.
Many credit cards cover other incidentals like hotels and cars.
What happens if a foreign airline doesn’t pay the penalty? Are they barred from servicing US airports? It sounds similar to forcing Mexico to pay for the wall.
They would be barred from flying to the US.
Chase UR messed me up. I had a Westjet flight booked with UR points, chase told me they would let me cancel for a refund due to covid. Turns out Chase only gave me a westjet travel credit. Later Westjet canceled the flight due to border closure, but won’t refund because I canceled first. I filed with DOT but Westjet keeps saying I canceled so they are not liable. Chase won’t take responsibility so I’m left with 2 useless westjet travel credits. (My brother has since moved out of Canada.)
Elal still has my $$ for 2 tickets that ELAL canceled at the end of COvid and still haven’t refunded. I can call them until im blue in the face and nothing…..”its being processed”….
Filed a DOT complaint?
I had tickets with Air Canada, Frontier and ElAl during Covid times. I got refunds from El Al and Frontier eventually. Air Canada offered a partial refund which I accepted. The amount of time I spent on this was unbelievable and no one is proposing any compensation for that. I would settle for a voucher for free drinks.
You can file a DOT complaint for the full refund.
If Air Canada switches the time of a flight by 1.5hrs do they need to refund.
The issue I’m having is it’s a red eye and they arrive 4:15 am and they are youth tickets
4:15 is too early too arrange pickup rtc
A gutte voch Dan! (writing from Yerushalayim),
Not related, I want to konow how to go about this,
My (not-so-young) parents bokked an Air Canada flight to Montreal this past Thursday to participate in a nephews wedding there. when they arrived to LGA they found out that their flihgt had been delaid and the airline refused putting them on to a differnt flight, even after it was delaid again & again, because ‘you still have a valid flight’, but then it was pushed off to Friday morning, and unfortunately they missed the wedding, and there were no flights then to rebbok on other airlines.
My qestions,
1. was it legal to tell them they cant rebook on another airline in the first place
2. Is there a way finding out why their flight was delaid multiple times and then to the next morning & if the airline was originally aware of this happening,
3. whats the bestway to go about this, is their anything to await for compensation?
Thanks so much Dan for helping so many Yidden at all times!
Hi Dan or any one that knows that cares to answer
we flew with el al and was delayed over 8 hrs and supposed to get compensation approx 3380 shekel but they refuse to give it to us even after we sent approx a dozen emails -el al saying it was not their fault [and even after we told them that israeli law says they have to prove that and they still not budging] can we file a dot complaint? will that help? will the dot stand up against them for an israeli law?
thnx in advance
p.s. any body have any tricks in getting them to pay that [as its 9 tickets]!
There are companies in Israel that specialize in cases like that.
thnx for replying WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT !
the problem with these companies is that they take 40%!!! and elal was willing to give us $400 but we wanted the whole money WITHOUT having to use these companies – and therefore wanted to know 1] if there is any secret trick or something that can get them to give the FULL amount – 2] and if the dot will help if we file a complaint [as its an israeli law]?
thnx again
Try http://www.consumers.org.il/
thnx so much we tried that and they said we should take them to small claims court! actually we even sent to elal a ruling from a small claims court that forces & forced them to pay and they still refused to budge! but will try the other link you sent – thnx million
or try
https://www.emun.org/