Please see the original post below the updates for all of the changes going into effect for Matmid in 2 weeks from now.
Update, 8/17/23: While El Al will no longer maintain an award chart, they will still have saver awards and they will have a calculator that will let you determine the cost. That calculator will be updated every 3 months and will let you know if upcoming pricing is changing a couple of weeks before it does.
That being said, this will be the one-way unpublished saver award pricing when the new program launches on 9/1, which will be in effect for award tickets booked through 11/30. Awards can be booked for up to a year in advance.
Discounted rates are available to all FlyCard members in Israel, or Executive members abroad, but it’s a lot more challenging to earn those discounts if you’re not an Israeli. To become an Executive member you need to live abroad and earn Silver, Gold, Platinum, or Top Platinum status. Alternatively, you need to earn 2,000 Diamonds within 12 consecutive months or earn 5,000 Matmid points from non-Israeli cards within 12 consecutive months.
Tel Aviv to/from | Economy winter | Economy summer | Premium winter | Premium summer | Business year-round |
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Boston | 32K FlyCard 40K Without card | 48K FlyCard 60K Without card | 64K FlyCard 80K Without card | 85,200 FlyCard 106.5K Without card | 112K FlyCard 140K Without card |
NYC | 32K FlyCard 40K Without card | 48K FlyCard 60K Without card | 66K FlyCard 82.5K Without card | 86.800 FlyCard 108.5K Without card | 120K FlyCard 150K Without card |
Miami/Fort Lauderdale | 40K FlyCard 50K Without card | 56K FlyCard 70K Without card | 81,600 FlyCard 102K Without card | 99,000 FlyCard 123,750 Without card | 140K FlyCard 175K Without card |
Los Angeles | 48K FlyCard 60K Without card | 68K FlyCard 85K Without card | 160K FlyCard 132.5K Without card | 112K FlyCard 140K Without card | 160K FlyCard 200K Without card |
Bangkok/Phuket | 40K FlyCard 50K Without card | 46K FlyCard 57.5K Without card | 56K FlyCard 70K Without card | 56K FlyCard 70K Without card | 104,800 FlyCard 131K Without card |
Paris | 14,800 FlyCard 18.5K Without card | 24K FlyCard 30K Without card | 27,200 FlyCard 34K Without card | 30,200 FlyCard 37,750 Without card | 48K FlyCard 60K Without card |
London | 18K FlyCard 22.5K Without card | 22K FlyCard 27.5K Without card | 27,200 FlyCard 34K Without card | 31,000 FlyCard 38,750 Without card | 48K FlyCard 60K Without card |
Tokyo | 62K FlyCard 77.5K Without card | 70.2K FlyCard 87,750 Without card | 76K FlyCard 95K Without card | 96K FlyCard 120K Without card | 160K FlyCard 200K Without card |
You can find rates for other destinations via the calculator here.
After a quick glance, these rates appear to be fairly closely aligned with the current chart, when multiplied by 50. However, the good news is that the fuel surcharges of $250-$350 per ticket will be eliminated effective 9/1, matching the policy of US airlines. As with US airlines, some mandatory government taxes still apply on award tickets.
In a future post, I’ll compare the old rates with the new rates and compare rates charged by partner airlines.
Speaking of partner airlines, Matmid/FlyCard Deputy CEO Dvora Butra confirmed to me that partner airlines will continue to have access to the same award space that is made available by El Al and that El Al will continue to maintain the same award charts for redeeming Matmid points for partner travel. She said El Al doesn’t discriminate between airlines like Alaska, Etihad, and Qantas that can redeem points for El Al flights, and that any difference in availability would be due to those airlines’ own throttling policies.
Ms. Butra also confirmed that El Al will continue to offer anytime awards, when saver awards aren’t available, at typically higher rates.
While the airline is removing its hard expiration of points, members worldwide will still be required to earn points from a flight every 18 months to keep their points alive.
Israeli members can also extend their points by charging 5,000 shekels on an El Al fly card in a calendar month.
For the most part, the new Matmid program appears to be successful in its goal of being competitive with US airlines, but it falls woefully short of their policies in regards to point expiration. Airlines like Alaska, Delta, JetBlue, Southwest, and United aren’t stupid, they too love the breakage created by points expiration. However, their bean counters determined that the lifetime value of a customer is higher than the breakage earned by points expiration and that the lifetime value loss caused by points expiration was not worthwhile.
For Americans without access to a Matmid earning credit card, that means either earning points flying on El Al or on El Al ancillary spending, or crediting a partner airline flight to El Al, such as Alaska or Qantas every 18 months to keep points alive. In the future, you will also be able to credit Delta flights to El Al to extend your points expiration, though El Al had nothing to share as far as the timing of that is concerned. The airline also had no news to share about a potential US credit card or point transfers. Until that happens, the program isn’t likely to make major inroads for Americans.
Update, 12/21/22: If you have points set to expire before the new program begins on 9/1/23, El Al will extend those points to 8/31/23, though this hasn’t yet been updated on their website.
If you earn any points between 1/1/23-8/31/23 then all of you points will be converted into the new program at a 1:50 ratio and won’t expire if you earn at least 1 point every 18 months starting from 9/1/23.
Originally posted on 12/1/22:
Table of Contents
Background Information:
In January 2021, I met with El Al’s new CEO Avigal Soreq in New York. Mr. Soreq had just taken over for the airline under brand new ownership and he asked for my thoughts on how to fix the airline.
I shared those thoughts here in April.
The number one tip was,
- Burn Matmid to the ground and start over.
- Yes, I understand the program makes money in Israel, but with a revamped loyalty program denominated in regular miles and competitive elite status levels, it can make orders of magnitude more money across the globe, as has been demonstrated to the tunes of billions of dollars by many highly successful airlines. I suggested that having someone familiar with US loyalty programs working in tandem with the Israeli team would be a winning combo.
- As part of fixing Matmid, create a US co-brand credit card with a value proposition that makes sense for customers and the airline. Pro tip: This isn’t it.
“El Al’s Matmid loyalty program is nothing short of a dumpster fire.
The points system used makes comparing the requirements to any other airline a massive headache. You need a PhD to understand the intricacies of the program, likely to hide how poorly it stacks up to the competition. There are fuel surcharges to redeem for awards. Points expire without any ability to extend them. There is no co-brand credit card for North American users. The latest website redesign removed the ability to easily search for classic award tickets. Etc, etc…”
The airline is now run by Dina Ben Tal Ganancia, whom I met in June at El Al headquarters at Natbag/TLV on a whirlwind day of meetings with various El Al department heads.
In the CEO’s office:
I told her that I loved El Al’s business class product, but wondered what the airline could do to make Matmid have a competitive advantage so that Americans would fly it over US carriers and to open an El Al co-brand card. That’s a tough ask, as Americans can spend their way to elite status on co-brand credit cards and can enjoy those benefits flying US carriers to Israel and everywhere else in the world. Or they can open other banks cards that offer very high reward rates for spending and redeeming on any airline.
Our conversation ranged from outsourced call centers, website improvements, to US airline bailouts, Boeing struggles, El Al vouchers, gift registries, United’s PassPlus program, the Fly America Act, codesharing, alliances, competitive advantages, secure transit in Natbag/TLV, and more, though that’s a post for another time.
There was a lot of talk of upcoming positive changes and cultural changes, but what piqued my interest the most (aside from going to the rooftop of the new and old Air Traffic Control towers!) were the proposed changes to El Al’s Matmid program.
I met with Ronen Galperin, new CEO of Matmid and his deputy, Dvora Butra for a session on the frequent flyer program.
Those changes were shared with me under a non-disclosure agreement and we debated several aspects of it, but overall I came away with the impression that it was a good start for a long overdue turnaround.
They told me then that Israeli law requires them to give 9 months warning before changes are implemented. They had hoped to announce changes in September, with the new program launching in June, but that slipped during the tweaking of the program details.
The New Matmid Program:
I spoke with Shlomi Am Shalom, Head of Communications and Government Relations at El Al, and Dvora Butra again yesterday to learn the details of the new program. Dvora is very knowledgeable about all of the competing programs in the market and wanted to design the new program with as much simplicity as possible while creating a good value proposition for passengers from other countries where El Al faces increasing competition.
That’s a big improvement from the 2019 devaluation which made a complicated program even more complicated.
With the program changes being announced on December 1st, Israeli law requires that it not go into effect for 9 months, so it will launch on September 1, 2023. Until that date, the current program does not change at all.
I was thrilled to hear that El Al will finally move to industry standard numbers, which makes it easy to compare how generous their program is compared to the competition.
I’ve long said that El Al made their program complicated in order to obfuscate that it offered a poor competitive value proposition, so it’s really great to see things improved here.
Until 2020, AMEX points used to transfer to El Al at a 50:1 ratio, and indeed, El Al will be using that ratio to multiply everyone’s existing point balance by 50 on September 1st, to make their numbers comparable to most other mileage programs across the globe.
But just don’t call them miles. Ms. Butra is aghast that airlines still call their currency miles when the industry has long since shifted from anything measuring a mile towards revenue based accrual. Miles are no longer earned based on a flight distance, so why are we still calling them miles?
Fair enough!
So the new program will still be called Matmid and the new currency will still be called points. I do think it’s a missed opportunity to rebrand the entire program and call points something else to avoid confusion, but I’ll just call them old points and new points to solve that problem in this post.
Earning Points From Flying:
- Currently point earnings are as follows:
- Non-elites earn 1 old point per $10 spent
- Silvers earn 1 old point per $7 spent
- Golds earn 1 old point per $7 spent, plus a 10% tier bonus
- Platinums earn 1 old point per $7 spent, plus a 40% tier bonus
- Top Platinums earn 1 old point per $7 spent, plus a 60% tier bonus
That’s pretty confusing and only the base points count towards earning elite status, the tier bonuses do not.
For example with the current program:
- If you’re a Gold member buying a $1,000 flight you need to calculate that a $1,000 ticket divided by 7 is 142.86 old points, which will round to 143 old points and then you’ll get a 10% tier bonus on top of that for another 14.3 old points, which will round down to 14 old points for total earnings of 157 old points, of which 143 count towards earning status.
- If you’re a Platinum member buying a $1,000 flight you need to calculate that a $1,000 ticket divided by 7 is 142.86 old points, which will round to 143 old points and then you’ll get a 40% tier bonus on top of that for another 57.2 old points, which will round down to 57 old points for total earnings of 200 old points, of which 143 count towards earning status.
- The new program certainly simplifies things, and it’s more generous than the previous program and compared to competing airlines.
- Non-elites earn 6 new points per $1 spent
- Silvers earn 8 new points per $1 spent
- Golds earn 9 new points per $1 spent
- Platinums earn 11 new points per $1 spent
- Top Platinums earn 12 new points per $1 spent
For example with the new program:
- If you’re a Gold member buying a $1,000 flight, you will earn 9,000 new points. Easy as pie. If you multiply the old program’s 157 old points by 50 you would get 7,850 points, so you’ll be earning 1,150 more points under the new program compared to the old program.
- If you’re a Platinum member buying a $1,000 flight, you will earn 11,000 new points. If you multiply the old program’s 200 old points by 50 you would get 10,000 points, so you’ll be earning 1,000 more points under the new program compared to the old program.
United is the 2nd largest carrier between North America and Israel after El Al, so let’s compare how many miles/points they award per dollar with El Al by status level:
United | El Al | |
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Non-elite | 5 points per dollar | 6 points per dollar |
El Al/United Silver | 7 points per dollar | 8 points per dollar |
El Al/United Gold | 8 points per dollar | 9 points per dollar |
El Al/United Platinum | 9 points per dollar | 11 points per dollar |
El Al Top Platinum United 1K/Global Services | 11 points per dollar | 12 points per dollar |
El Al awards 1 or 2 more points than United, per dollar spent for equivalent elite levels. American and Delta award miles at similar numbers to United.
Earning Status From Flying:
Currently, Matmid has some points that qualify for status and redemptions and other points that are only redeemable miles. In the new program, points are exclusively for redemption purposes. You’ll earn diamonds that count towards earning status. Diamonds are what El Al calls your total spending on the airline, similar to United PQPs and Delta MQDs.
- Currently you need to earn the following to qualify for El Al Matmid elite status:
- Silver status requires earning 400 points in 12 consecutive months. That’s equal to spending $4,000 on flights. Alternatively you can earn Silver with 300 points and 10 flight segments. That’s equal to spending $3,000 on flights.
- Gold status requires earning 1,000 points in 12 consecutive months. That’s equal to spending $7,000 on flights. Alternatively you can earn Gold with 500 points and 15 flight segments. That’s equal to spending $3,500 on flights.
- Platinum status requires earning 2,500 points in 12 consecutive months. That’s equal to spending $17,500 on flights. Alternatively you can earn Platinum with 1,000 points and 20 flight segments. That’s equal to spending $7,000 on flights.
- Top Platinum status requires earning 6,500 points in 12 consecutive months. That’s equal to spending $45,500 on flights. Alternatively you can earn Top Platinum with 5,000 points and 40 flight segments. That’s equal to spending $35,000 on flights.
- Under the new program, you’ll earn 1 diamond per $1 spent (Executive members will receive 1.2 diamond per $1 spent on flights in Premium and Business):
- Silver status requires earning 3,000 diamonds in 12 consecutive months. That’s equal to spending $3,000 on flights. Alternatively you can earn Silver with 2,000 diamonds and 6 flight segments. That’s equal to spending $2,000 on flights.
- Gold status requires earning 6,000 diamonds in 12 consecutive months. That’s equal to spending $6,000 on flights. Alternatively you can earn Gold with 3,500 diamonds and 10 flight segments. That’s equal to spending $3,500 on flights.
- Platinum status requires earning 12,000 diamonds in 12 consecutive months. That’s equal to spending $12,000 on flights. Alternatively you can earn Platinum with 7,000 diamonds and 20 flight segments. That’s equal to spending $7,000 on flights.
- Top Platinum status requires earning 28,000 diamonds in 12 consecutive months. That’s equal to spending $28,000 on flights. Alternatively you can earn Top Platinum with 25,000 diamonds and 40 flight segments. That’s equal to spending $25,000 on flights.
It’s significantly simpler to understand than the current program and it’s much easier to earn status in the new program.
Points will be earned on the fare and fuel surcharges, though not on airport fees and taxes. Rounding will apply, so a $1,000.40 earns 1000 diamonds and a $1,000.50 ticket earns 1,001 diamonds. You will only earn diamonds on El Al or El Al codeshare flights, not on partner airline flights that aren’t sold with an El Al codeshare.
El Al will award status for 12 months from when you reach a tier threshold, based on activity within the previous 12 months. That gets renewed for another 12 months when you hit another tier threshold.
Here is how many flight segments (PQF) and/or dollars spent (PQP) that United requires for status:
United doesn’t publish the requirements for its secret Global Services tier, though $50,000 per year (or 4 million lifetime miles) is considered the general benchmark to earn that status. You can also earn Global Services by purchasing a $50,000 PassPlus prepaid airfare card.
Here is how those spend requirements line up, side by side:
United | El Al | |||
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El Al/United Silver | $5,000 or $4,000+12 flight segments | $3,000 or $2,000+6 flight segments | ||
El Al/United Gold | $10,000 or $8,000+24 flight segments | $6,000 or $3,500+10 flight segments | ||
El Al/United Platinum | $15,000 or $12,000+36 flight segments | $12,000 or $7,000+20 flight segments | ||
El Al Top Platinum United 1K | $24,000 or $18,000+54 flight segments | $28,000 or $25,000+40 flight segments | ||
United Global Services | $50,000 | - |
El Al’s lower 3 status levels are significantly easier to achieve than United, though that makes sense given their much smaller footprint. United also requires status to be earned in a calendar year instead of in a rolling 12 months period. However, that also means that United status may last for a longer time than El Al, depending on when you qualify and when you hit El Al’s tier thresholds.
El Al considers Top Platinum to be competitive with United 1K, though with benefits that attempt to compete with Global Services. Some Top Platinum benefits are actually better than Global Services, though in other ways it’s more like United 1K. Either way, it’s a whole lot easier to earn Top Platinum than it was before!
Mr. Galperin told me that they considered adding another tier to compete directly with Global Services, but as a small carrier, the number of passengers that would qualify for that level would be very small and they would rather focus on making Top Platinum the best it can be.
Top Platinum members receive a plethora of benefits, including a dedicated account manager for a single point of contact for all of their flight needs. That’s a benefit that hotel chains like Hyatt offer, but isn’t something that airlines offer. El Al says the account manager is a costly benefit, but they have heard loud and clear from their top customers how valuable of a benefit that is and they will continue to offer that level of service, even if the program expands with lowered thresholds for Top Platinum.
On September 1st, El Al will convert your old status points into diamonds by multiplying by 10 for old status points earned before you earned elite status and by 7 for old status points earned once you earned elite status. Old status points earned from spending on the Fly Card Premium will be multiplied by 2.5 into diamonds.
Earning Status From Credit Card Spending:
El Al is a non-player in the US credit card market due to poor agreements signed by previous management. Sadly, that means there is no way for Americans to earn status from spending.
For the Israeli market, Fly Card Premium cardholders will earn 1 diamond for every 80 shekels spent. You can earn up to 12,000 diamonds from spending, good for Platinum status. El Al doesn’t like the idea of giving away their Top Platinum status just for credit card spending without flying on the airline.
Earning Status From Ancillary Purchases:
Currently, El Al does not award status qualifying points for ancillary spending.
Under the new program, you’ll earn points and diamonds for spending on space seats and baggage fees. You won’t earn points or diamonds if you buy a lite fare and pay for a standard seat.
Fuel Surcharges:
Fuel surcharges are an inherent part of many mileage programs outside of the US, but charging a fee for loyalty is a bad business plan, which is why US programs avoid charging them.
I have long called out El Al’s fuel surcharges as being non-competitive compared to US programs, so I was thrilled to hear that they will be eliminated under the new program!
You’ll just pay the mandatory airport taxes and the like as charged by US programs.
Points Expiration:
In 2015 El Al went from expiring all flight points after 3 years to expiring all points, including points earned from credits cards and transfers after 3 years, with no way to extend them. After I wrote that 2015 post I got a call from former Matmid deputy Gal Egozi who spent 2 hours explaining to me why I was wrong about the changes being a devaluation and why the expiration changes were actually a good thing for passengers.
But I’ve long derided it.
Sure, expiring points is a lucrative business. El Al can collect revenue and then write it off the books as breakage to pad their bottom line. An average of 10% of Matmid points expire after 3 years without being redeemed.
But anyone who has lost points knows that it’s a major turn-off compared to other programs that don’t expire points. That’s not loyalty.
Under the new program, if you fly on a paid El Al flight or credit a paid partner flight, such as Alaska or Qantas, to Matmid, you’ll extend the validity of all your Matmid points by 18 months.
You can also extend the validity of your points for 18 months by spending 5,000 shekels in a month on the Fly Card in Israel.
This is an improvement of course, but it’s wildly uncompetitive with US programs. Delta and United have eliminated expiration altogether and American extends your points for 24 months with any earn or burn activity.
I asked why El Al was insisting on only allowing earning points to extend validity and not burning points. After all, if someone flies on El Al for an annual trip to the holy land, surely not an uncommon occurrence for Americans, after a while they will have enough for an award flight. However, in between their paid flights they will exceed the 18 month points validity and lose their points due to taking an award flight one year. They can credit an Alaska Air flight to El Al to avoid that, but that’s an onerous requirement to keep your points alive.
Mr. Galperin said that the cost to do that would simply be too expensive for the airline, but that it might get there with time. They’re especially concerned with making things too generous upfront, as they don’t want to be put into a situation where they need to walk back improved benefits and would rather deliver those in time if possible. And given the lack of competition in the Israeli market, do they really want to be that generous when they can get people to use their Fly Card to accomplish extending their points validity?
Ms. Butra notes that another concern they had was that customers would book and cancel award tickets in order to extend their points expiration. I said that I understood where she was coming from, but that it wouldn’t be hard to have the expiration date revert back if it was canceled or to only count the redemption to extend activity after the flight is actually flown.
I also suggested that especially considering the lack of a credit card offering abroad, that they allow redemptions to extend mileage validity for members living abroad. US airlines have done this over the years, with United and Delta waiving some status requirements for members living outside of the US. Here too they were hesitant to do that due to increased complexity and fraud concerns, though surely there are ways to require proof of an actual residence abroad.
In the end, El Al said they heard my concerns here and will continue to study options to make their expiration policy more competitive. I’m hoping to hear better news here, as accumulating points in a program that makes it too difficult to keep them from expiring is a poor value proposition.
Award Chart:
Airlines like Delta and United have eliminated published award charts, though they do maintain them behind the scenes and update them as they see fit.
Other airlines like American and Air Canada continue to maintain award charts for saver awards, while also offering dynamically priced awards.
When I met with El Al in June, they were planning on going fully dynamic with their award pricing, but promised that rates would be significantly less than they are now.
I pushed to keep some sort of saver award chart.
Ms. Butra says that maintaining an award chart has become untenable due to the requirement to provide a 9 month advance notice of changes in an era when Delta and United can change their rates overnight.
However, they have come up with an award chart that can be searched via a calculator that will allow you to type in any route and get the current saver (classic) award pricing. That pricing will be updated every 3 months for pricing for the next year. Members will get notified about new pricing 2 weeks before the next change. Partner airline redemption changes will be updated every 6 months.
Fly Card members will receive additional award discounts off award prices, but with the new program, these Mega Saver cardholder specials will have a variable discount between 5-25% off the saver/classic award price.
She also says that they will be able to display the saver award availability even if you don’t have sufficient points in your account, so that should be a nice improvement.
Overall, the jury is out on this one until we see pricing. I’d certainly rather see award charts like American and Air Canada, but perhaps this will indeed be better than Delta or United.
Upgrades:
El Al will upgrade their upgrade experience from one that is only available for elites on higher fare classes and has to be done through their service center to one that is fully available online and on the El Al app, starting from the time of booking until 6 hours before departure. An upgrade can be canceled at any time before approval, but once an upgrade is approved, you won’t be able to cancel the upgrade request without canceling the entire ticket.
In the new program, all members will be able to upgrade from all fare classes.
Upgrades costs will be vary based on the route, member’s status, fare class, requested cabin, and whether the member is a Fly Card or Executive member.
Your status and the fare class will determine how early the upgrade can be confirmed, which will range from the time of booking to 60, 30, 14, 7, or 3 days before the flight, or even day of flight upgrades.
When you register for an upgrade the system will let you know what the upgrade will cost and when it will start trying to upgrade your ticket, based on your status, fare class, and whether you are a Fly Card holder.
The higher your fare class and status, the earlier your upgrade can be confirmed and the cheaper the upgrade will be. For the cheapest fares, that means you won’t be able to get upgraded until the day of the flight, while on mid-tier fares your status or lack thereof will determine how far in advance you will be able to have your upgrade confirmed. On higher fares you will be able to get upgraded far in advance or even at the time of booking. The payment of points or points+cash will be processed only once the upgrade clears.
You will be able to earn diamonds for money spent on upgrades.
Lounge Access:
Airlines across the globe are dealing with lounge overcrowding, and El Al isn’t immune to that. The King David Lounge is by the far and away the best lounge in Natbag/TLV, offering fresh mehadrin food, wines, and many amenities than the subpar Dan lounges, though there are still no current plans to reopen the lounge’s spa that was shuttered over COVID. The former first class section of the lounge will be accessible by Platinum and Top Platinum members.
Alas, El Al is cracking down on their generous lounge access policies.
Gold members flying El Al are currently allowed to bring in 5 guests per visit, from an annual nomination list of 10 guests. Under the new program they can bring in 1 adult guest and 4 children under 21, with an annual nomination list of 10 guests.
Platinum members flying on any airline are currently allowed to bring in 5 guests per visit, from an annual nomination list of 40 guests. Under the new program when they are flying El Al they can bring in 1 adult guest and 4 children under 21, with no annual nomination list required. When flying other airlines, they will be able to access the lounge just twice per year and without any guest access.
Top Platinum members flying on any airline are currently allowed to bring in 5 guests per visit, from an annual nomination list of 60 guests. Under the new program when they are flying El Al they can bring in 1 adult guest and 4 children under 21, with no annual nomination list required. When flying other airlines, they will be able to access the lounge with one guest.
I’d say those are some tough changes, but US airlines have long since stopped allowing access when flying other airlines and have you seen all of Delta’s harsh lounge access changes? These changes are downright merciful compared to that, and if it works to limit overcrowding, it may not be the worst approach.
Dan’s Quick Thoughts:
That’s a whole lot to digest!
I’m more optimistic about Matmid than I have ever been, though a lot will ride on the rates charged for award tickets, the availability, etc. which are all opaque for now, other than assurances that they will be lower than they are now. And I’m curious to see if the expiration policy can be improved, at least for those who live abroad. We’ll have to wait and see before a verdict can be reached.
The bigger issue here is the lack of point transfer options to El Al. Without that and without a lucrative credit card offering in the US, they will still remain a bit player in the US loyalty scheme.
I’m heartened to see the amount of thought that went into these changes and I’ve loved seeing new friendly changes, like a mehadrin steak entree (KBML) and halachic zmanim being added to El Al flights.
These mileage program changes represent steps in the right direction and if you do want to earn miles and status from El Al flights, they are all massive improvements over what was offered until now.
I always enjoy talking inside baseball with mileage program executives and have done so with several airlines to date. I’m happy to offer suggestions, while retaining my ability to remain a critic. Frequent flyer programs, my inbox is always open!
What are your thoughts on these changes? Will they make you more or less likely to fly El Al?
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You killed me!
Was thinking this must be a major price mistake as you sent this at 2am
Browsing thru DDF, I saw that you did it on purpose.
You might deserve some petch! Or maybe El Al deserves petch for making you wait till this crazy hour
Not a crazy hour in Israel 9 AM
Love it! Finally a program that simple!
Main boon is upgrades.
Yes, seems like a big improvement there.
Why do you say that? You dont know the rates yet..
if you have a cheap tickets and they will ask the equivalent of $5k to upgrade to J, not really a bargain
From our conversations, I don’t think that will be the case.
But yes, the devil will be in the details.
Hopefully it’s lucrative enough to offset the reduced Flycard premium accrual
A lot of this looks like an improvement, and will only get better once they add a US credit card partner. But there was nothing in the article describing redemption rates. 6 points per dollar may be more generous than United, but if the cost of award flights is too high, then the points will continue to be worthless.
It’s discussed, and they gave some vague numbers and assurances, hence my concern noted in the post.
Have you discussed at all with the discontinuation of amex transfers? And If so what’s the reason behind it and if it will be coming back?
The old contract wasn’t paying enough to make it worthwhile.
When will the bad agreements expire and they’ll be able to have American credit cards?
TBD, but these are usually long term deals.
How do you purchase a $50,000 PassPlus prepaid airfare card?
https://united.business/passplus
(KBML)?
Kosher mehadrin steak meal.
Ksml?
Dont see KBML on the link you posted. Do you?
Yes, click on Mehadrin options.
Do you think previously Frozen and vacuumed packed steak, and reheated will taste decent? Forget about medium rare with a pink juicy center.
Why does it need to be frozen from TLV?
If United can figure out fresh from EWR…
Is there anything to do with points expiring in 6 months?
Anyway to extend them?
Nope, no changes until 9/1/23.
You can’t extend them but I know I was able to use my points on hotels and they didn’t have to be in Israel. It converted to value of money like Chase or Amex points. You can go on ElAl website to see if they still have it & all details.
Just read it on israeli website but you are just so much clearer!
why can’t they just change the usbank credit card to more value?
Maybe they will figure out a way with this new program?
They are putting the Americans below the Israelis. Flycard members will receive cheaper award prices, while Americans don’t have a credit card. That by default raises the award prices overall, since Elal has a minimum floor price that they will charge Israeli fly card members afterthe discount, and therefore any non card members (all Americans) will pay more per redemption. Level the playing field.
Also, the fact you can’t extend miles, by not providing us with a US credit card, while allowing Israelis to keep their miles constantly active by simply swiping $1600 a year, is a 2nd huge strike agsinst the Americans, and perhaps a fatal one to what they are trying to accomplish with so called changes.
Like I said, without a valuable US credit card or transfer partner, they’re not going to be very relevant on this side of the pond.
Does the US BANK card still enable transfers?
I haven’t used it since 2013 since ELAL screwed HAS…
Well, you actually can get their U.S. credit card since it’s been reopened for new apps. It isn’t very lucrative for everyday spend, but at the very least it will open up the reduced award pricing and (presumably) extend point expiration.
They didn’t even mention that to me when I was pushing back hard against the expiration policy, so I certainly wouldn’t assume that it would extend point expiration.
Small correction, but Dan wrote that Israeli’s can extend their miles by spending 5000 shekel in one MONTH, not over the course of the year.
Definitely a long read, though very informative.
Like you said, only time will tell!
Thanks for all your tips in the past.
I hope you can still post price mistakes and crazy deals from ElAl, now that your somewhat on board/buddy-buddies with them!
I think my coverage is always fair, I just look at the facts and call it as it is. I’m always willing to listen to spin, but that doesn’t change what I think of the facts.
But yes, in this case it’s certainly time will tell.
Most people can’t afford to go to Israel yearly.
So if someone goes every 2 or 3 years, why should they choose Elal over let’s say United?
With United, after 2 $1200 tickets in a 3 year period, you walk away with close to enough miles for a 1 free domestic US flight, which don’t expire on you. (Which matters to the non rich consumer, that doesn’t fly to Israel every year, and values a free domestic US flight. )
With Elal you will walk away with one big worthless expiration of miles after having flown 2 $1200 flights in a 3 year period.
People who fly every 2 years are not the target audience for a frequent flier program.
Plus, this is their program worldwide, not just for those going to/from the US (although that is clearly the meat of the program).
Thank you Dan for the clear summary.
FFTY!!!
No company targets the poor!
(except loan companies and alchohol)
I agree. Elal elite status isn’t really accessable for the american clientle. Noone flies that often to TLV and they dont have any alliance partners to help earn elite status. You’d be better off flying United and saving up the points for domestic travel or any flight from the US.
Who is the “Noone that flies that often”? And who are the “most people that fly only every 2 to 3 years”? Most people I know fly at least once a year and I’m not talking any uber wealthy people. Those rich people go at least once a year with their entire family, party of 8 or 10. I’m not talking about them. There are plenty of middle class people who fly themselves or as a couple every year.
And I’m not even taking about the chassidim that fly to their rebbe several times a year or at minimum at least once a year.
True.
The expiration is a deal breaker with me.
Expiration with a US credit card would be an easier sell but I usually stay away from expiration regardless.
The person who fly’s once every 2-3 years is of no benefit to them, unless you fly back and forth frequently there’s no reason to use elal over the American carriers points wise, realistically there nothing they can do to change that nor should they want to
Dan, since when did you convert to Zionism
Anyhow, the real issue is their horrible service in general, and absolute disgust for religious passenger in particular.
I’m a Jew. But I will never fly them again. I have been so badly mistreated and looked down upon by them numerous times (I flew myself. No kids. Checked in on time. No excess baggage in the overhead bin. Nothing to blame me for).
So for my own self esteem, I will sadly never fly with them.
Lol, no conversion. But I’m always open to conversation.
Have you flown them under the new post-COVID ownership?
I flew them this September round trip in business class and I have no words to describe the positive impression they left on me. It really felt at home this time around, service was top notch with flight attendants really caring and nice, hard product is solid, overall picture is amazing. This airline is not “that” El Al anymore.
Spot on!
+1 i flew them will a lot of little kids in september. THis is 10 years after taking a similar “vow” never to fly them again after years of abuse, anti-Semitism, and poor service.
El Al 2022 is a NEW AIRLINE, don’t compare it to the old. GIVE THEM A NEW SHOT. it was a pleasurable experience this time. Employees were happy and helpful. Dreamliner was nice!
Just want to echo MK. I think its worth the positive feedback especially for Yidden. I just flew with them in the summer when airfrance rebooked us because of a missed connection. (Airfrance was hilarious; in Y we got Borenstein First/business boxes which were decent, but of course 4 hours after a fleishik dinner the two of us got a Milchik breakfast box and a Fleishik! Snack box)
I was pleasantly surprised with El AL. The hard product was really good for a short haul from Paris. The manual Tinting windows were great and the pop-out cupholders were nice little bonuses. The service was very chilled and pleasant. The only thing that was annoying was the aggressive sales pitch on the duty free catalogue.
I asked a stewardess about standing in my seat to daven she said of course. I did. 20 minutes later a chiloni women poked me in the shoulder and woke me to go and join the minyan in the galley.
Everyone was going overboard to get along: the chassidish guy, the stewardesses, everyone. If I were in charge I wouldn’t have schlepped out the minyan when we were blocking the galley but….
The flight had all the benefits of heimishness without the usual drawbacks.
Too traumatized. It hurts me to write this on our fellow yidden.
But I guess I can begin by stopping to advise people to avoid them. Taking a flight with them will take a long time of counseling and therapy.
It was really rough with them…
I’m an Israeli Jew, and am not a fan of Elal historically, but I can indeed attest from a few recent flights (where Elal made sense on price & schedule) that I had a VERY different, pleasing experience. I was in business class all those times.
Politics sucks and it has caused a big rift for many years between Israelis, but as someone who lives here and is “chiloni” on the outside, but a yid (!) who believes in our creator and our people, I can tell you it’s changing – long haul for sure, and there will be much hate with the political situation here in Israel, and orthodox jews are still targeted unfairly, but it will change. You can feel it in the air.
P.S – your title “Dan the zionist” – nothing wrong per se with zionism, but I get it – it’s a secular movement. It has served it’s purpose – physically bringing jews to dwell in Eretz Yisrael, and now it’s changing / ending.
By in large, ElAl still sounds like they are stubborn and not interested in doing enough to flip things around. I believe that increased competition, and a punch to their numbers and bottomline, is the only method that will wake them up. This quote is very telling of that “And given the lack of competition in the Israeli market, do they really want to be that generous”.
I like where ELAL is headed with these changes. Shows that they are taking this seriously. However, I don’t believe anything will change if they don’t add a US transfer partner.
100%
Footprint is a major issue, after all united has the largest and it’s much easier to get there when traveling around the world vs to and from 1 country (Israel)
True, hence what I said about the need to be more generous and not on equal footing. It seems like that translated here, but there’s still a lot TBD.
I appreciate them trying, and understand that they’re in a tough predicament due to the previous contract. But that just makes this a bust, you can’t compare this to an airline with a branded cc and all of those perks. It’s a shame, did the new owners not know this when they bought elal? Is there really no way to circumvent this? It’s the most important point that they’re seriously lacking.
Anyways, hatzlocha to them, and kudos for trying.
The new ownership is there for the long haul, so I don’t think those details mattered. They felt the price was right for a turnaround operation and that there was some higher calling involved as well.
All such contracts eventually come to a close, but it just takes time to get there.
The status that the top tiers get are for themselves or anyone flying with? What if I”gift” points to a friend – does status help him at all (like united gs plus points will get PN awards upgrade)
Gifting points, or booking for someone else, doesn’t help in terms of status. The status is associated with the traveler, not the account that was used for the booking.
When a TP travel with someone else on the same booking, the upgrade priority officially only apply to TP. In rare cases El Al upgrades the other passenger as well. That’s one of the major drawback of Matmid.
Why do they need this nomination list? And the expiration thing suggests they are still being stingy. I’ll continue to never fly them except for short routes if they’re by far the cheapest!
Did Dan just slip how he got GS ?
I don’t pay for United flights.
You didn’t say that is NOT how you got it, could’ve bought it to pay for others flights
+1.
I think it’s the first time I’ve seen a mention about that pass.
I tentatively think after reading this, that I would request a status match to my UA1K level. I flew LY Premium from BKK-TLV and found it much more comfortable than United’s Premium. The KSML was much tastier, and the fact that United has been consistently neglecting their kosher passengers in their Clubs and Polaris lounges, (after having sent me emails promising change) , has me about ready to throw the towel in after over 10 years of being UA1K. Can you post a link or email to their Matmid Status Match? Do they even offer that?
Thank you so much for this informative and clear article.
Thanks.
And they do status match. Email a request with proof of current status and a summary of flights taken in the past year or 2 to Tier@elal.co.il
Still not going to fly with them
what about redoing their garbage website?
Be careful what you wish for? Last time they “upgraded” the site they got rid of the award calendar.
But yes, I let them know how bad the site was and it’s on their road map to fix.
With the current program, what are the good benefits of being a top platmiun by EL AL?
The best perk, in my opinion, is having a dedicated contact person at El Al. They provide their WhatsApp and are very resourceful.
The 2nd best perk is the guaranteed seats in J when you pay C fare, and in Y when you pay Y fare. It’s very wild. In my opinion since the TP pool will increase , this perk will likely be diluted
care to elaborate, what is C?
C is the most expensive fare in business class
Although I don’t fly often, I really enjoyed reading this article. Your analysis and comprehensive knowledge is a pleasure to read!
Anything about lifetime status?
Some European airlines offer mileage extension for a fee. Is that something they’d consider to help the annual US flyer?
It as all going good until right when you get to “old points” and “new points”. Then I stopped reading
Now imagine what it was like when they went from old shekels to new shekels!
When will the KDL showers reopen? Best perk of flying ELAL.
Is ELAL still blaming COVID for that?
“The bigger issue here is the lack of point transfer options to El Al. Without that and without a lucrative credit card offering in the US, they will still remain a bit player in the US loyalty scheme.”
Dan, did you discuss why they block award seats from Qantas airlines?
Nope. Obvious things are obvious. They don’t want to give up those seats on the cheap.
When I flew El Al, they took me to a room, strip searched / bedikas chometz on me, screaming me what do I have to hide… Then they let me on the flight, without letting me take anything along other than my passport. Wasn’t allowed to take anything along, not even my tefillin, not my gemarah. So I avoid them like the plague.
Huh ???? Why??
Great update Dan; thanks!
Ia the ElAl lounge in JFK being reopened? My experience at the substitute Virgin Atlantic lounge was not really worth the long walk to get to it.
This is my takeaway – you met in person with El Al head honchos in June in Israel which is the same time you posted about your experience flying their business class and how you paid minimal $ & points to get your entire family on that flight. So…they made you pay for your flight when clearly they invited you to come meet with their executives to enhance their airline’s policies?! If I’m ever asked to go somewhere for a business pursuit, the company asking usually covers travel expenses…I’m just saying.
Can I buy $50,000 of pluspass on United and use it for multiple people in order to get global service?
And for good reason. Israel is planning a big rescue operation for US Jews. As early as 2023. Exciting!
I was already of the opinion that El Al is an inferior product when compared to the U.S. based airlines, in terms of flights. An improvement in the loyalty program that still falls short of the competitors does not change that calculus.
If they aren’t an option with amex anymore, how does the old contract help then?
Matmid will continue to be a useless program to 99% of people until that exists. Only for frequent travellers to US-TLV and nowhere else.
Flew last week in j class, wow elal has come a long way, first the seats are very comfortable and the service was a 8.5 out of 10 in my opinion, they were there when ever I needed something and friendly. The regal meal was plentiful fresh and delicious.
There’s an option to buy BUYME gift cards ( not sure exactly what their worth), which would’ve allowed me to do SOMETHING with my points before they are expiring tomorrow, but – these are also limited to Elal card holders. So again US customers are SOL.
Note to Elal:
While doing the site redesign, please have someone with proper English skills work on the English version.
Currently on the site
“For reediming this benefit – more points are required”
Ms. Butra is aghast that airlines still call their currency miles.
R’ Username is aghast that Dan still calls the programs loyalty programs. How is it loyalty?
I just flew Elal and united business class to TLV and united is a 1 when Elal is a 10 everything on Elal is just so much better
Dan,
What about their US Bank card ? does that still exist ?
Was DOA:
https://www.dansdeals.com/credit-cards/will-apply-el-als-new-us-credit-card/
But yes, it’s officially dead now:
Dan,
The language on the elite earning is confusing.
What does spending $3000 in 12 consecutive months mean? does that mean spending $36,000 ($3,000 x 12) or $3,000 total within 12 months?
$3,000 total.
“To become an Executive member you need to live abroad and earn Silver, Gold, Platinum, or Top Platinum status. Alternatively, you need to earn 2,000 Diamonds within 12 consecutive months or earn 5,000 Matmid points from non-Israeli cards within 12 consecutive months.”
can you write more details how one can become an executive member living in the USA in order to obtain discounted award rates?
how does one earn silver status or 2000 diamonds within 12 months or 5000 matmid points ( I thought there is no non-Israeli card?)
anyway simple easy way to obtain executive member status from us living in the USA?
“El Al doesn’t discriminate between airlines like Alaska, Etihad, and Qantas that can redeem points for El Al flights, and that any difference in availability would be due to those airlines’ own throttling policies”
Qantas doesn’t seem to throttle flights for any of their other partners so why in the world would they do it to El Al? And why would they do it on the days that make the most sense for frum travelers (flights timed well for Shabbos)??
Pre-merger United used to throttle like that with Starnet blocking. Helped them manage costs with partners that had more redemptions without a counterbalance on redemptions to even out costs.
I’d imagine that very few people are using Matmid points for Qantas flights, so after the Qantas 44% transfer bonanza they added El Al throttling rules on popular redemptions to reduce their financial outlays.
OK but that 44% bonus was a long time ago and it’s not like their points are free, they get paid by Amex, Citi, or Cap1 for point transfers and I’d assume they priced it so that they aren’t losing money on those bookings. So while there are probably far more bookings in that direction, they should still be making money regardless, and are now leaving it on the table for someone else (Etihad, Alaska, or even Matmid) to grab
The blocks were instituted just after that bonus and haven’t been removed.
While these things are budgeted for, airlines still like to have equal redemptions so they don’t have to actually pay out cash. Might not change until El Al brings partner redemption online. I’m not holding my breath on that ever happening.
So then why don’t Elihad and Alaska do it? Granted they never had the 44% bonus catalyst that Qantas did, but they still walked in to an arrangement where redemptions were going to be mostly one sided
Qantas likely had an insane influx of transfers for El Al bookings and that got someone’s attention.
I wonder who’s fault that could’ve been…
Anyway to get that back in now that their money grabbing CEO and his CIO are both out?
Most of us have lots of Marriott points, some Citi points, some Amex points. Question is, Dan. Could you please give us a detailed explanation as to how we can use our Marriott points and other points to purchase tickets on ELAL airlines? Should we transfer points to Alaska or Qantas or EITHAD?? Which transfer is the best deal? And If possible, please provide links to the pages which would allow us to transfer our Marriott points and other points to the other airlines so that we could buy ELAL airlines tickets. Thanks in advance.
The best deals are with Chase Travel ServiceFor example 100,000 Chase points will reduce the ticket by approximately $1400.They are not limited to one airline and are open 24 hours 7 days a week
So you consider 150,000 for saver business NYC-TLV to be the new normal?
Any downside to an Israeli gold member to change to a US address to get the lower redemption rates?
In terms of maintaining/earning status and/or other benefits. (Assuming he doesn’t want to ooen a flycard).
Does anyone know if there is a difference between the front row seats and the other premium economy seats on El Al Dreamliner, like a leg rest etc.?