NY is getting a 2nd wave of COVID-19 infections and NY Governor Andrew Cuomo has approved a proposal by NYC Mayor NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio to close all public and private schools in select zip codes starting tomorrow.
Positivity rates in the city have spiked since schools reopened.
It includes neighborhoods with a COVID-19 positivity rate above 3% for 7 consecutive days:
Other neighborhoods that are at risk of closure include:
NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio said that businesses may also be ordered to close and Governor Cuomo also threatened that houses of worship would be forced to close if rules regarding masks and limited capacity were not enforced.
Do you think that these measures will help stop a 2nd wave of COVID-19 in NYC? Will they extend to closures of businesses and houses of worship?
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It’s all politics, they couldn’t care less about your health.
its not all politics some people think they re above the law and ruin it for everyone else
Like Cuomo and Deblasio. They think they are above the law.
you obviously do not know anyone who has either had Covid, or has died from it.
everyone had covid
Wear a mask is it so hard ?’ Just wear it on your chin even! We caused this to ourselves !
No we did not. Explain June July and August with weddings in full swing and no spike. Its a natural progression. Quarantine will not help. Masks wont help. I know 4 people who wore masks throughout and ended up hospitalized…and treated…and released. The minute you have fever AND/OR trouble breathing you go to the hospital. End of story. Everyone must get it until a vaccine is perfected. Quarantine was only to slow the spread, not as a safety mechanism.
Theory:
We beat back the Rona here in the NE back in April/May. Cost us 30k lives statewide, almost 50k if you include NJ.
We had a partial herd immunity/anti-bodies.
THEN in the summer, we had people going out of state to hotspots, camps etc, getting infected, bringing it back here and not quarantining at all.
The virus, which had all but been eliminated in our community started spreading again. One or two people pick it up at a simcha, transmit it to one or two more people and this whole time its slowly but exponentially spreading until it starts making waves in August/Sept. Now it’s peaking again, and if we don’t stop it we will see a full blown Second Wave with thousands more dead, schools shut down for months on end and all social activities ground to a halt.
i call your bluff. No one in brooklyn ever wore a mask. Stop making up stuff to try and prove your point.
100% right
This did not help
So much clarity. Make a coherent argument. The reality is this is all politics. The numbers are not real. Thousands of nursing home employees are tested mandatory every week. Their numbers are counted and counted and counted.
What exactly, are you saying is not real? You can make a case that cases are not accurate because there are so many undiagnosed, but you can not realistically argue against hospitalizations and deaths that are Covid related/caused.
Do you really think that the ENTIRE GLOBE…the WHOLE WORLD…EVERYONE is faking it just to make Trump look bad? If so, I hope you have some family or friends left who will try to save you from the cult you’re a part of.
Most of borough park has been wearing masks for close to 2 weeks now. Did it help?
Deblazio just needs to protect his own.. that’s all.
For that, our mothers and children will go crazy.. literally.
They put it on for the camera to look good there not wearing them in shul again are they
are you sereious? I was there last week buying a sukka, must have been 50 people int he warehouse. NOT 1 NOT EVEN 1 PERSON HAD A MASK.
It takes close to 4 weeks for the numbers to reflect an uptick in compliance.
Should have been wearing masks all along!
Masks are not a total guarantee, especially the non 95 masks, by the way, and those worn wrong.
The results of two week old change might just start showing up in numbers, hidden by an increase from YomTov.
“Most of borough park has been wearing masks for close to 2 weeks now.”
Based on the numbers of new infected … obviously not.
I LIVE in Borough Park and I’m also hearing of people getting sick, SPECIFICALLY ones who were careful to wear a mask always. Anyone living in those zip codes knows very well that the government has no understanding whatsoever of how the communities work and how the virus affects it. And just wondering, how exactly does wearing a mask on your chin help? We caused it to ourselves by not wearng a mask on our chin??? And there are news reports about lack of contact tracing in Ortodox communities. Can someone explain to me how contact tracing works in a dense Frum community? Someone goes to Bobov for Shacharis, starts out in one minyan, falls behind and changes to a different room, catches Mincha at Shomrei Shabbos, goes to Lakewood in the evening for some reason and catches a Maariv at Satmar before going home. He doesn’t remember exact times, only somewhere within the hour. 2 day later he feels unwell (or not) and decides to test himself and gets a positive result. Are there enough contact tracers to call 500,000 people??? It’s quite clear that its about numbers and publicity, not the saftey of any individual. Maybe the NY polititians cannot have more bad publicity after killing so many nursing home patients…
Pikuach Nefesh trumps davening at 3 different indoor minyanim on the same week…at least that’s what my rebbi says.
Pikuach Nefesh and Chillul Hashem should be in our calculus and then decide how to act accordingly.
Everyone throwing pikuach nefesh around. If you have co-morbidities stay home. If you have had the virus make a decision if you feel comfortable or not to go to shul. This 25% garbage has nothing to do with pikuach nefesh. Husbands were sick in March and wives living with them are only getting sick now. I know of cases like that. Many cases. Quarantine is NOT the answer. Exposure is. A positive test is not a death sentence. It is just a positive test. Symptoms are treatable if treated early Early detection with early treatment is the answer. Yale University New Haven Hospital has not lost a single patient who has been treated for COVID. Look it up.
Even if I agree with everything you just said. What about Chillul Hashem?
True, if only people with co-morbidities and those in direct contact with them took the precautions they needed, there would be practically no deaths. I just met someone who was wearing a mask all the time to protect his older mother, until he tested positive for antibodies. Why should we look at it as one big problem to be blaimed on zip codes and politicians, when we should be focusing on keeping PEOPLE safe! And to those who replied saying that people shouldn’t go to Shul, (its hard to arrange outdoor minyanim for 200,000 people when its starting to get colder), I wasn’t giving my opinion on what everyone should be doing, only that there was a big disconnect between politicians/health departments and the community which is NOT the fault of the community. People should definitely where masks in situations where the general public would understand that doing otherwise puts them in danger, even if they are actually wrong.
The problem with your assumption of decision making based on known medical conditions (co-morbidities) is that many people don’t know they have hidden medical challenges. This isn’t the ideal way to find out, though it might be a rather efficient method.
Also, death isn’t the only issue here, some people from the March/April episode are still dealing with undesirable medical aftershocks.
Back to my point, wouldn’t it be wonderful if we as a community acted lifnim mishurat hadin and even if everyone needs to face it one day, an idea I don’t ascribe to, at least most of the community would face it when the medical world has more known solutions at their disposal.
I understand how everyone feels but please realize that the general poplulation also needs to be made to understand that in these communities there are MANY people who spent WEEKS in bed or on SUPPLEMENTAL OXYGEN (there were multiple such cases on my block alone, and that was besides the DEATHS on my block). There are also those who had mild or no symtoms but then tested positive for antibodies. There are at the VERY LEAST tens of thousands of people with confirmed high antibody levels who are being told by said ‘medical world’ that if they now walk on a wide open street in Brooklyn with no mask, they will kill someone innocent in the Bronx. That itself is asking for trouble from the remaining population. If there was a much better understanding generally speaking, things can be much more efficient. For example, people who don’t feel well would be the ones getting tested, not the ones who have antibodies -in order to get the positive COVID numbers down. When people are able to know that they are actually contagious, they will then be very likely to isolate and therefore keep other people out of danger, especially the vulnerable.
That may very well be a Halachic be a question of “Shomer Pesoyim Hashem”, and it isn’t at all obvious that a very small fraction of cases of unknown co-morbidities should necessitate shutting hundreds of Shuls ad Yeshivos. It’s generally well understood by everyone that car and pedestrian accident statistics would tank if only everyone stayed home, and that people don’t know they will be the victim of such an accident R”L until they are, but that it still wouldn’t be a good reason to close down everything. We should let the Rabbonim in each community access the situation themselves and do whats best. One thing we know for sure is that the commentators here (INCLUDING MYSELF) DO NOT know better than the Rabbonim, especially the ones from communities that you aren’t familiar with.
So daven at home
We can have a discussion, but who among us can make such a decision for hundreds of thousands?
If he wore a mask the whole time, how’d he get antibodies??
Just proved to yourself & all of us that the masks are for show and dont help!
HARTFORD, Conn. (Hartford Business Journal) — Yale New Haven Health leaders say survival rates are getting better across its facilities for patients suffering from COVID-19.
The health system includes Yale New Haven Hospital, Bridgeport Hospital, Greenwich Hospital, Lawrence + Memorial Hospital in New London, and Westerly Hospital in Rhode Island.
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“We have seen a real improvement in survival rates,” said Thomas Balcezak, MD, executive vice president and chief clinical officer.
He outlined statistics for the media during a Wednesday morning press conference.
Back in March, the virus survival rate for the system’s inpatients was at 87.7%. In August, the survival rate had grown to 97.6%, and for September, it was at 98%, Balcezak said.
He noted that hospital personnel have learned the best practices for helping these patients over time, which may be a factor in the improved survival rate.
The age of the patient continues to be a factor in survival too. The health system reports that its COVID-19 in-patients who are under 50 have had a 98% survival rate. This fell to 91% for people between the ages of 51 and 70, and to 77% for people over 70.
Marna P. Borgstrom, CEO for Yale New Haven Health, said 28 people were hospitalized within the health system due to COVID-19 as of Wednesday morning, with half of those at Yale New Haven Hospital.
While the health system has had a COVID in-patient population of as low as 12, it hit around 800 in the spring, according to Borgstrom.
Balcezak urged people to continue taking precautionary measures, such as wearing masks and practicing social distancing, to help prevent outbreaks.
Gov. Ned Lamont’s office reported Tuesday that there are 92 patients currently hospitalizedle
You sound like the most knowledgeable MD I have found, do you accept patients?
Are you really an expert or just an expert at posting comments?
Idk where you get your info from but Trump is not Jewish and doesn’t daven at one minyan a day, let alone 3. That minyan on the white house lawn was a one time thing , you read too much frummie news my friend. I dont know who your rebbi is but learn Torah from your rebbi not current events
In that example it doesn’t work. The person shouldn’t be praying in indoor minyanim left and right
But they did. Point isn’t who did right or wrong. It’s whether or not those health departments who are busy doing contact tracing have any idea what they’re doing.
There is a phone app that helps with contact tracing. It’s called “COVID-19 Alert NY”. Other states have it too. It automatically logs every phone that comes near you and alerts you if you were in close proximity of someone who tested positive.
Yes exactly what we want, Big Brother in our phones more than they already are.
Here’s some info from the app. You do you.
“This is the official app of New York State, run by the NYS Department of Health as part of New York State’s comprehensive COVID-19 testing and contact tracing effort. The ultimate goal is to help reduce the spread of COVID-19…”
“The app leverages a completely private and secure Bluetooth-based technology that Apple and Google developed. The app’s source code is available to the public and has been vetted extensively by privacy and security experts. We never see your location or identity, and no information on the use of this app can be traced back to you.”
Wanna buy a bridge?
So they should close Shuls because not enough people in those Zip codes have a smartphone… (at least 2 thirds of BP and Williamsburg have Kosher Phones, with many in Flatbush and Queens as well)
And what percentage of actively contagious people are in that database anyhow?
Agree 100%. Every time i go to the (kosher) supermarket, I’m the only one wearing a mask. No one wears a mask anywhere! And then they blame others for closing the schools. Take responsibility for your own actions!
There’s a federal court injunction issued in June against New York that prohibits New York from treating churches and synagogues more stringently than offices and businesses are treated for covid restrictions.
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He should close all shuls etc. biggest chillul hashem. The one thing you can’t do is have big crowds inside with bad ventilation. Especially simchas where people take off mask to eat and sing and talk loudly. One person has virus it can spread to so many under these conditions. If shul done properly with size limitations and no communal singing and masks then not an issue.
Wth does “talking loudly” have to do with anything??
THe more you project, the more salavia and other particles exit your body and possibly infect others?
Google “loud talking covid”
You would have been “for” the famous “Jude” sticker in Germany.
Ridiculous! There are only 636 people in the state in the hospital due to COVID. Out if 19 million people. No reason to shut schools. People just need to be careful and wear masks and social distance
But people aren’t doing this and haven’t been. This might not have happened if we hadn’t let our guard down at the end of the summer.
They have orders to wreck the economy as much as possible so that Trump loses on election day.
Mayor de Blasio ordered non essential businesses closed as well governor warned shul’s could be next
Ah that’s my zip code. So sick of this Trump Virus
You can hate trump, hate his ways vote for Hillary, Bernie, Biden, AOC or whoever… but do you actually believe its a Trump Virus ?
Please elaborate on why it is him?
I recall Deblasio and Pelosi making a mockery of the closures when Trump had China Flights, and other international flights stopped.
Commander-In-Chief is responsible for national security, including biological threats like a pandemic. I can forgive mistakes that were made in the beginning, like allowing infected tourists to flood my city from Europe without screening them. I’ll even forgive Trump’s intentional lies back in February and March. But it’s been 8 months already. At some point, a leader needs to man up and take personal responsibility.
So you really do not make sense now. Typical Libby!
You forgive his intentional lies, but at some point he should man up ?
So his intentional lies, are not the result of 220k deaths, but eventually since he didn’t man up, now they are ?
Enjoy your warped way of thought.
Can wait for the day Trump is reelected, seeing all the faces of the libbys. It will be great!
and of course its NOT trumps fault, we are living in a country of 320 Million people, WAY BIGGER than every other country aside for China, and India. Of course the numbers will be HUGE.
Look, it was a novel disease. We were learning on the fly. I’m willing to give Trump *some* leeway. More than he deserves. My patience is not unlimited though. Every other developed country has handled the pandemic better than us. Some third world countries too. Enough.
i’ll give you leeway, since you seem to be a libby. Im sure as you get older, you will change. Maybe not.
Have a gebenched Year!
The USA has a mentality which is vastly different than almost all other countries. That is the reason. Remember how Trump was criticized for stopping flights from China and then Europe. Remember how he was mocked. Does it make any sense that if he tried telling the country what he told Bob Woodward (that it was more deadly and airborn), going against the CDC, they would have listened? Not at all!!! He would’ve totally been accused of “fear mongering” and “xenophobia” and “going directly against the CDC and WHO by saying that the virus was airborn and directing masks away from the front line first responders and medical personel, going directly against his own surgeon general who begged everyone not to get masks, etc.
Yeye we know the misleading talking points.
We’re the richest country in the history of the world. Other countries were able to acquire enough masks. The posts office was going to send 5 masks to every household but Trump foolishly stopped them.
South Korea was able to acquire tests in January. Trump failed to acquire tests until April/May.
And the way Trump uses the bully pulpit is malpractice. Yesterday he encouraged his cult followers not to take the pandemic seriously.
Trump failed. He’s still failing. Horrible president.
So if you don’t like it here leave. If it’s so bad pack your bag and go to those countries…and by the way take all the liberals who hate this country with you.
It’s easy, Yechi — just look at almost the entire rest of the world, including those with much less medical tech and much less $$ than us. The USA response has been pathetic and has actually made things progressively worse relative to all of these other countries.
Sure, Trump didn’t create this virus, but his response (lack of one and working AGAINST the scientists and medical community) has definitely prolonged this and which has resulted in a much greater number of sick and dead than would otherwise have been the case.
I do not believe you can gin up a reasonable argument against the many clear comparables all across the globe that have followed science/medicine and have done much better than Trump.
I used to travel for business. I remember travelling during SARS and MERS with masks prepared. The only difference between the Chinese virus and MERS and SARS is that MERS and SARS fizzled out on their own. They safely assumed the same would happen to the Chinese virus. They also discovered that a long term program to stock the USA with 40,000 ventilators was mishandled by the Obama administration and the ventilators were never delivered.
Wow that ventilators talking point is a blast from the past. It’s nonsense, of course.
MERS and SARS didn’t kill over 210,000 Americans and cause a recession. Because we had a competent Commander-In-Chief who protected us from national security threats like pandemics. Every other developed country handled coronavirus better than us. Trump needs to own his failure. It’s the Trump Virus now.
Chinese virus
Trump Virus. It’s been 8 months already. At some point, the commander-in-chief needs to man up and take personal responsibility for his national security debacle.
This is a global pandemic. Look at the rest of the world. Have any countries been more successful? Even Netanyahu, who was extremely successful during the beginning, is now failing (as Israelis are simply getting it now).
1. We have more resources at our disposal than any other country in the history of the world.
2. We account for 5% of the world’s population but 20% of the world’s covid deaths. Over 1,000 Americans are still being killed every single day by this virus. Our neighbor to the north only had 6 covid deaths yesterday. There are more covid cases in the White House alone than there is in New Zealand, Taiwan, and Vietnam *combined* (combined population 127 million).
377 people work in the white house.
New Zeland has 1,800+ reported cases.
I’m talking about new cases. New Zealand has 0 new cases.
So about 50+ in the past week from those countries of tested/reported cases. Obviously much more untested or not reported cases.
How many did the white house have in the past week?
Dozens in less than a week so far. Probably over 50. They didn’t even bother to track or test many of the people who were exposed at their crowded, indoor, maskless party.
Anyway, you get my point. At this moment, the incompetent commander-in-chief is using his bully pulpit to communicate to his cult followers that they shouldn’t take the pandemic seriously.
America is one of the unhealthiest countries in the world. Have you ever head Dr. Fauci and the other supposed “experts” encourage us to improve our diets/exercise/etc.? Ever give those factors some thought?
Your criticism should be directed at the guy who leads the executive branch. The guy with the largest bully pulpit in the country.
You lefties are too funny. You seem to forget what your dear Democratic leadership was saying:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1245385767729463297
And the lefties’ main talking point is that trump is responsible for all the covid deaths.
Commander-In-Chief is responsible for national security, including biological threats like pandemics. Whataboutism doesn’t excuse his failure.
Btw, Biden warned Trump a year ago to prepare for a potential pandemic.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1187829299207954437?s=19
You’re ridiculous. Biden said stoping flights from China was wrong (to put it lightly). Stop being foolish.
Nope, that talking point is a lie. Biden was in favor of travel restrictions from China but he said it wasn’t enough. He was obviously right. Infected tourists flooded New York from Europe without being screened. Then we lacked tests to contain the spread.
But again, whataboutism isn’t a defense of Trump. It was his job to protect us. He had CIA intelligence that nobody else had and he had powers that nobody else had. He failed.
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1240361258957897728?lang=en
Oh so now you want Biden, so he can force us to exercise for 30 min per day, ban soda & fries etc. I’m sure that’ll help!
Biden said Trump was xenophobic for shutting down travel from China. I wonder if you’d blame him for all the deaths if he were president…
No! That wouldn’t be his fault! A virus would’ve been an act of G-d.
Wow…just look anywhere except right wing media and you will see that almost EVERY other country has been MUCH more successful than Trump.
you really have an axe to grind. Pack up and leave.
Totally.
Looks like this thread is being spammed by Trump cult followers now. Avodah zarah.
Laws this that they’re not targeting Jews only 100 public schools shutting to who happen to be in the hot spot . You guys need to wake up and a smell the coffee just listen to the darn rule
Or a mask . That’s all . More you push it the more this will last .
There is absolutely no excuse not to wear a mask. Whether or not it will stop a second wave is irrelevant. It’s overwhelmingly clear that the flagrant disregard of rules that the majority are obeying could stoke anti-Semitism and that’s not something we need. Of course protesters aren’t wearing masks but that’s not the issue. We don’t point fingers outward. Make this a Kiddush HaShem and put on a mask!
I totally agree with you.
Well stated. Chillul Hashem is more than enough a reason to mask up, even if you don’t think it’s a solution or moral obligation.
Masking is important indoors. Outdoors, not so much.
Makes little sense to require masks in wide open spaces.
I find this to be incredibly embarrassing and a huge chillul hashem. There’s room to debate the laws on business closures and mask requirements, but unless rules go against the torah (or specifically discriminate against Jews), we should be following them at least as much as everyone else, regardless of whether we agree or disagree.
I don’t wear a mask (particularly outdoors) because I think it’s protecting myself or others (I had covid 2 months ago, so i’m unlikely to contract it again so soon)… I wear it in puiblic because I wear a kippah and I know that it creates a chillul hashem if I don’t have it on.
How does it make sense that the numbers in our heimisha areas should go up so high the last 2 days Yom Tov when no Yidden are getting tested Yom Tov?
Yesterday the gov said that in Rockland was 15+% positive and in the heimisha areas in Brooklyn 13+% that’s not from us no one is testing Yom Tov, or they are just playing around with the numbers, in order to blame us and torture us.
We have to gather the numbers from our heimisha health centers and put it out for the public should see it and not what they are saying….
How? Because the numbers didn’t just, from out of nowhere, go up in the past 2 days. The numbers spiked after Rosh Hashana.
I live in Queens but made a trip to my longtime auto mechanic, in Kensington, Brooklyn, last week. Afterwards, I visited my daughters, in Flatbush. I can’t begin to tell you how many Orthodox and Chassidim were walking around, maskless. The streets were packed in Kensington, Borough Park and Flatbush — and most were NOT wearing masks. I was appalled!
Look — you can call it antisemitism; you can call it whatever you want — the fact is, it’s no coincidence the numbers are climbing, again, in the frum communities. The virus didn’t magically disappear and we still don’t have a viable, proven vaccine for it.
That said, for the welfare of all, EVERYONE must continue to publicly wear masks and physically distance, until it’s safe to do otherwise; however long that might take!
NO!
I’m not saying that it’s not a problem in general,
I’m just saying it’s a problem that only we are the problem and not other communities (even in the same areas)!
I live in Rockland and I’m plenty in the city as well and when you look out you’ll see a huge precent of other communities not doing different from what we are, and most of them are not wearing masks as well only when they go into a target etc… because all stores are enforcing it, (and I understand it and do the same) you could see outside of a lot of stores/complexes groups of Hispanics or blacks without masks and that’s not a problem, only when it comes to us and in our areas the numbers are going up then they are here alarming the Jews are the problem etc… and that’s ANTI SEMITISM because by the other communities areas they are not doing so, INCLUDING THE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THOSE AREAS!
(An ex: I had in spring valley last week a minor accident, not the Hispanic guy who I had it with, not a Ramapo police officer and 2 spring valley police officers Was wearing a mask and I didn’t even stand close to any of them at most of the time, while they did stand close and when another guy came to one of officers to discuss something else and didn’t wear a mask as well he was standing by he officers window,
AND NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING).
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I KEEP ON SAYING THAT ONLY WHEN ITS US WE ARE THE PROBLEM AND THEY TORTURE ONLY US AND NOT OTHER COMMUNITIES,
THIS IS ANTI SEMITISM!!!
And when you answered me that the spike is only from this 2 days nor since r”h that doesn’t matter but what does matter and this is what I say is that they are saying that from this 2 days the precent of positive cases in Rockland 15+% and in the hot spot ares in Brooklyn also very high, that doesn’t make any sense and this is what I said…
And btw I heard from 1 urgent care in Rockland that said that from their tests only 3% was positive so how do you get to 15% from the other urgent care in our area they are telling us that…. that it might come from he other communities nor they are throwing it on us and saying we are the problem.
Years ago I went to Yeshiva Shor Yoshuv. The magnificent yeshiva campus is located in Lawrence (11559- Nassau County). Literally behind the fences of the parking lot is Far Rockaway (11691- part of NYC)— where much of the Rabeim, Kollel, student apartments, and families reside. Politics, indeed
As someone who lives in one of these ZIP codes, this is alarming that jews are allowing the government to use us as a scapegoat. The schools have gone above what CDC and other DOH agencies have as guidelines and there is less than 0.5% rate of infection in the schools. Vast majority of the shuls have adhered to the mask and other guidelines. Are there exceptions, of course. But that cannot be what’s driving this. Is COVID something we should be taking extra precautions to ensure the sick, elderly and vulnerable are protected? YES! and by and large shuls, schools, yeshivas etc ARE DOING JUST THAT! Anyone living in FR or Queens knows this to be true (not familiar with Bklyn). It’s just alarming that we are allowing the scapegoating of jews and no community leader, politician etc. seems to be pushing back on the mayor or Governor.
Please name the shul in Queens that actually had a full 6 feet between people over the yomim noraim, and even maxed out at 50% capacity, let alone the 12 feet the state recommends when there is singing and chanting, and the 33% capacity they suggest. They should be awarded a prize.
I know the shuls I regularly daven in, don’t enforce the nose & mouth covered, a capacity limit, or a minimum social distancing. One even had a mask optional section until this past Friday.
So you clearly do NOT live in Queens. Please do NOT post information to the public that is not TRUE. Vast Majority of the shuls did their best enforcing masks and social distancing. Many Shuls had outdoor minyanim or moved to other facilities to accommodate with a larger space. Shuls took over the ezras nashim for men to allow for more spacing. That’s not to say every single shul did this but aside from 1 or 2 vast vast majority did comply. The targeting by the government (local and state) of the Jewish neighborhoods as the cause of this outbreak is fearmongering to the general public.
I daven in 5 shuls regularly in KGH since the shuls reopened just before shavuos. I can tell that absolutely none of those 5 have enforced correct social distancing (6ft minimum) or proper mask wearing. Even the official shul outdoor minyanim don’t. ‘Doing their best’ does not count. Having a sign up on the wall does not count.
Take a walk on Main Street one day and see how few people are wearing masks. The stores are no better. I was in Haim’s the other day when the cashier was telling everyone to wear a mask but he himself wasn’t wearing one at all.
I’m not asking for names of the shuls, but I live in KGH and yes having a sign and making sure everyone is aware of the policies is done almost across the board. I cannot comment on Haims but Wassermans, Seasons and Aarons comply with masking by staff and shoppers. Your comments seems to indicate that a mask will 100% solve this. It won’t. It helps stem the spread and should be complied with. My point is that WE ARE as a neighborhood complying. Targeting the neighborhood as if we are not is misinformation. Is there an uptick, maybe. The data jury is still out. Most people (b”h) who test positive are asymptomatic or minor symptoms. We all wish this would go away. Targeting Jewish zip codes as the source of the “second wave” is wrong (I won’t make any nazi or other analogies – but the targeting of Jews is wrong). In terms of main street, it’s very easy (even on Friday) to maintain social distancing on the street. There was no mandate until last week (and the “law” / “E/O” – no one is sure what it is) saying that everyone must wear a mask outside.
You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think as a neighborhood we are complying. I am not saying masks will prevent anything, but compliance at this point is wearing masks and being socially distant. There is very little of that going on. Plenty of people around here having friends/other families over for shabbos meals going to friends houses for shabbos, etc.
You are correct that there is no rule to be masked in public. But when you can’t maintain 6 feet in public, you need to be masked and that has not changed since March. And unless I step into the street it is nearly impossible to walk on main St without coming within 6ft of someone else…as that would require a 10 foot wide sidewalk…. and certainly impossible on any of the side streets.
So now you are in charge of making sure no one has friends, Shabbos meals etc.? Is that a new law? The idea is to make sure public institutions are following guidelines (Yeshivas, schools, shuls, shopping etc.) – YES THEY ARE. Individual people will always be responsible for their actions. Families know the risks and young families can each decide to do what they want. The sick, elderly, vulnerable etc need to be protected and take precautions. Now the government is targeting Jewish schools and shuls for shut down because of non-compliance. That is the point I’m making. That is factually not true, they are compliant by and large. This paints a bad and inaccurate picture of the Jewish community, by specifically targeting us.
I’m not going to get into a pissing match with you, but the yeshivas and shuls are by enlarge not enforcing or encouraging proper masking or social distancing. I hate to say but some rabbanim are actually discouraging it. If your shul and Rav s , then consider yourself lucky .
this is how it started in Germany…
and it started here long time ago
Please do not belittle the Holocaust by even THINKING of comparing needing to wear a mask to to protect people and to try to prevent spread of a KNOWN virus (just look to DC to see it in action). Is it unfortunate that the areas affected are more likely to have Jews in them? Yes, but this is a strict numbers rule, and the numbers are saying something thats pretty clear. Stay home, prevent the spread, and then we can all go on with our lives like we want to. The comparison to what WAS horrific and a crime against humanity makes generations who didn’t live it, or have relatives alive who lived it and could pass down the stories less powerful.
It was horrific, but it didn’t happen in one day , not even one year, it was years before 1910 already, they started blaming the Jews for diseases, and ppl believed them, even the powerful Jewish politicians, pushed the Jews to behave different, read some history man, it’s all clear, (I don’t think anyone argues with it)
Germany was a very progressive country at the time , and it happened under their nose
The mayor singled out the Jewish community twice, he didn’t do to other communities, check his feed, and it’s not because the Jewish community was worse then others, with the Jews he can get away with it, yes mask no mask? – that’s not the point, singling out the Jewish community is anti Semitic,
Watching the statements the mayor and governor made, it definitely has material to cause viewers to hate Jewish people.
הלכה היא שעשו שונא ליעקב
When you say such statements, it incites negative feelings to the Jewish people as a whole, irrelevant of if they are law abiding or not, or whether they are actually causing harm or not.
It touches something deeper.
Agree
Vote Republican
Coumo and de Blasio have to resign!
They are claiming we are the problem we are killing ppl and not taking it seriously, while they killed thousands of ppl, see in other states with higher infection rates with much less deaths.
And now they are claiming that we are the problem because only in our areas the numbers are going up, that a lie they are playing around with the numbers, see all areas listed are Yiddisha areas.
See my other comment with more reasons why it does not make sense.
They are just anti semantics, killing ppl, don’t mean anyone’s safety just their politics….
Both of you resign!
Another point, if they would’ve do the same for the protesters and all other I understand, but they’re not they are only alarming when it comes to us, while by the protests they even gave permits sometimes with thousands gathered and that’s not a problem, but when there’s a Levaya even with a small amount of ppl they dispersed it…
Is that not anti semantic?
If not what?
its not antisemetic one bit. And guess what, we are doing it to ourselves..SHUKEL all you want in shul..Have the longest beard and payis, but if the laws of the medina say 25% occupancy, or cover your face with a mask, and you dont, your a fool and doing everything hashem doesnt want you to do
but singling out one community more then once , smells bad, and don’t tell me other communities are better, I drive around the city and see what goes on in many other areas,
Absolutely right, see examples in my reply on my other msg about this point.
It’s not clear that the term “Dina Demalchusa” can be invoked here, even if everyone who doesn’t wear a mask is actually wrong etc. as there are specific definitions of that.
Everyone should be taking a test, see what the real numbers are
No! Nobody should test unless they are in need of medical attention.
Everyone should test, than the percentage would be much lower
Surprised we didnt get a snarky dan remark ‘well another reason to not live in NY, come live in the best place on earth Cleveland’
Why would that be snarky? I don’t know if Cleveland is necessarily the best place but NY by far is definitely the worst most horrible place. And I’m saying it even though I currently live here (unfortunately).
Right…… because so many New Yorkers actually believe that places like Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Detroit, Atlanta, Memphis actually exist and have worthy shuls, yeshivas, communities, families, etc…
These posts are absurd. Cuomo & DiBlasio are horrid people who go out of their way to ruin business in the name of whatever cause they are trying to push.
HOWEVER, there is no rational way to say people in these communities are behaving responsibly. Whether you think a mask is a scam, or you think Hashem is going to protect you – just WEAR THE MASK. What is the problem? Even if it doesn’t help, we’ll at least remove the ability for the people to say “look at these Jews again.” Did we not get enough grief a couple years ago with idiots who didn’t get vaccines and caused a measles outbreak like it was 1930?
C’mon – behave responsibly…even if it is just for a show.
Walking around without a mask does not make you a better צדיק or whatever you think it is doing — אין לסמוך על הנס
To blame the Jews, it’s not got to do with masks, not with vaccines
Read history brother
The German Jews also tried complying all the way to the ghetto
I totally agree. Many gentiles (and self-hating Jews) will hate us no matter what we do. If BLM protests were encouraged and still are encouraged, then it’s only people who are already anti-semites who will criticize us for not following CDC’s guidelines. Many Trump supporters don’t wear masks and are explicitly against masks, so how is it a Chillul Hashem by doing what many others (including BLM protestors and Trump supporters) are doing?
The proof is in the pudding – they will find issues:
Hospitalizations are DOWN. Deaths are DOWN. Now they come up with a bizarre statistic to use against us – the % of positives from people who test. Maybe in our community we dont run & test for a runny nose, while others are more fearful? Maybe there are longer lines in our community – discouraging testing, or better yet, maybe a very large percentage of our community already have antibodies so when they get sick – they take a throat culture – not a covid test. My point is that there is no science in the percentage of people testing. They should be monitoring hospitalizations only.
Currently the number of people hospitalized is very low & not alarming at all.
I live in ny, orthodox, watch the press conference.. Its a shame..Chilul Hashem at its greatest..They showed pictures of gatherings of thousands of ppl, hundreds of people, at different events all packed in no masks..Brooklyn, is a disaster. you can daven all you want but when we get closed down bc of some idiots who cant follow simple rules, its your fault that everyone in NY will not be allowed to go to shul..
did you watch the riots in nyc not sure how come that was not stopped due to covid
Should have been — lots of those people should have been arrested for the damages and chaos they caused. How does that affect your need to wear a mask?
Because it shows that masks are all political. The supposed “expert,” Dr. Fauci, couldn’t even say that BLM protests spreads the virus. The mask laws make no sense and are indiscriminately applied. The real question is why do you wear masks and want everyone else to wear one?
Fauci was playing the game. Which is why he can’t be trusted. He can’t give it straight, the consequences be damned.
ATTENTION JEWISH AMERICANS!!!! YOU ARE BEING ATAKED BY THE ANTISEMITIC GOVERNMENT, BY MAYOR DEBLASIO AND DUMPSTER COUMO DO NOT FOLLOW ANY GUIDELINES!!!! IF YOU SEE A REPORTER SMASH AN EGGG IN THERE FACE AND KICK THERE CAMARAS TO THE GROUND!
ATAKED INDEED
When you smash an eggg in THERE face scream loud and clear THEIR you go.
Ughh…. bummer….. I would do all of that but I just don’t carry “EGGG”‘s in my pockets. Too bad…. I guess participation is only for those carrying raw eggs with them.
Just vote Republican
Will be pointless because the numbers will go down after they’re closed for a few weeks, and then when they reopen, we’ll be right back into this neverending cycle.
There are schools, shuls and business in those zipcodes that are complying with the laws, and there are others that aren’t.
If the former have been following the laws and have no known cases, they should be allowed to stay open. And any groups who have been flouting the laws should be closed indefinitely. Not 2 weeks. Not 4 weeks. Indefinitely. If by now they can’t be bothered to follow basic restrictions, they’re not going to learn their lesson when they reopen in a few weeks.
Simchas Torah in particular will be a disaster from a COVID standpoint….. lots of people in close proximity and lots of alcohol…. what could go wrong?
There are many reasons why we have higher numbers than the rest of NY, but the biggest one which is largely ignored is that our average family size is double the general population. Its fair to say that when someone contracts the virus and quarantines at home those at home with them are very likely to catch it and we generally live in bigger households so we transmit it it at a far greater scale. Its easy to blame masks and shuls but the reality is that even with all precautions we are more vulnerable to quicker spreading than most other communities.
JUST STOP TESTING
Mark levin show.com Listen and get an education. Trump has done everything for the people, and your democratic governors just want to cause chaos!
Agree
There is an issue in orthodox communities with compliance of basic rules with this disease, and you can cry anti-semitism ALL YOU WANT! This is the truth.
Whoever is not wearing a mask is being selfish to other Jews (and people at large).
As far as I have heard most Rabbi’s have ***instructed*** people to wear masks, keep distance even if it means don’t go to shul. How can an orthodox person go against their Rabbi?! Shameful.
Get a grip and follow some basic rules. Period. No excuses. Unfortunately, as I see here in Israel where I’m in it seems like all “types” of Jews are committing these sins, and just do not want to do anything they are being asked to do. Very disappointing.
עם קשה עורף indeed
Chol HaMoed is a time to try to be b’simcha the best you can in your circumstances. Don’t be stressed out about this, don’t discuss it, just be with your family and be devoted to the Yom Tov the best you can. And just do your part, wear a mask and don’t go by the crowds. Try to aim for some semblance of menucha, at least just for this week. Chag Samayach, everyone.
Everyone with antibodies should go test now. That’s the only reason we are having such high percentage. Only people that have symptoms test.
what does a 3% covid positivity rate mean?that would warrant cuomo to shut the school 3% of what? of the population of the district? dont understand these metrics can someone explain
It stupidly means that 3% of the people WHO ARE TESTING are coming out positive! Not 3% of the population or anything like that.
the biggest problem in my opinion is the airports. a lot of people came in from Israel and some even knew they have the virus. no one takes temperature, rapid covid testing, overnight testing etc. there was a wedding in monsey where the chassan was from Israel, he had covid, his mother had covid, they knew, and did not tell anyone. where is our federal government to enforce this? why are people able to travel to america, but other countries like new zealand, australia, and Israel don’t allow this? of course we get new cases. and by the way, i know three people who never took off their masks, indoors and outdoors. the were the laughingstock. they got covid anyway. masks are not foolproof. masks are just the only tool we have now. it doesn;t make it effective. its just our hishradlus we can do. so, don;t bash anyone for not wearing it either
What types of masks were they?
Just a reminder for those quick to blame President Trump:
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1245385767729463297
VOTE REPUBLICAN
MAKE DE BLASIO PAY
Who decides what constitutes a chilul hashem? This country is split right down the middle. Millions of people vehemently disagree with Governor Cuomo. Many look to the low COVID rate in places like Sweden which never imposed masks or closed schools or businesses. Tucker Carlson, whose Fox news show is watched by around 4.5 million people just tonight praised orthodox Jews for not complying. After bashing Cuomo for threatening to close down religious services, asking “Who do you think you are, God? You’re not, you’re some stupid governor of a declining state”, went on to say that “Many of the services being shut down by the way are the orthodox Jewish communities. They haven’t been playing along, to their great credit.” So Tucker thinks were doing the right things and presumably so do his audience.
I’m not sure standing up for what you believe in – especially in a country whose history demonstrates that moral conviction and protest (even if technically unlawful) brings about positive change (e.g., the suffragettes, civil rights movement etc.) – turns into a chilul hashem because half the country disagrees with your point of view.
Very well said, Brian!
Yesterday, cuomo said that he’ll make a “helmet order” if new data comes out that helmets help prevent spread the virus and will order NY’ers to wear masks with earmuffs if an “article” comes out saying people should wear helmets. Will jews also be comporting chillul hashem if they don’t wear helmets and earmuffs If/when cuomo makes these orders (by the way things are going, cuomo is likely to make these orders)
thumbs up!
How many religious people refuse to walk into McDonalds to go to the bathroom so that people don’t think they ate there? Why can’t one use the same logic and just put on a mask? It is now the expected social practice. Why is your fellow man thinking you ate at McDonalds more important than preventing a goy from saying “look at those Jews?”
That is a different concept called Maaris Ayin, which applies when a person’s actions look wrong to an onlooker even though they are actually justifiable.
Two distinctions. Here onlookers are very aware that millions of people throughout this country and hundreds of millions throughout the world disagree with the social practice of NYers to wear masks everywhere they go. Second, Jews have a right, like every other person in this country, to take a stand against a government edict that they believe encroaches on their rights and liberties. You are essentially arguing that being a frum Jew prevents us from taking unpopular stances because public censure automatically equals chilul hashem.
Because these masks make no sense—if ur scared of the virus, stay indoors for the rest of ur life or wear an N-95 mask, or a hazmat suit, or 5 cloth masks. How long do u want jews to wear masks to avoid a supposed chillul hashem? Forever? U plan on wearing a mask forever just because cuomo says to? If he says to wear goggles and earmuffs too (which he said he would mandate if an “article” comes out recommending that), then would you “use the same logic and just put on” the goggles and earmuffs? Come on-this is all common sense, and it seems like a lot of people are getting blinded by the government’s want of control of us.
There is no actual pandemic, so pandemic plans can’t stop it. This is a political issue and requires a political solution. If Joe Biden wins, this issue will disappear. If D Omaha Trump wins, his political enemies will continue to scare people needlessly.
Right, that’s why countries across the globe, including Israel, are shut down. All for Joe Biden.