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Earlier this year Delta, Flying Blue (Air France/KLM), and Virgin Atlantic launched a Transatlantic joint venture.
As of today you can use miles from all 3 programs on on each other, but mileage rates and taxes vary wildly.
Searching can also be tricky. For example you can only book Virgin Atlantic flights from JFK to Tel Aviv when using the Air France app as their flights aren’t showing up on their website.
I’ve searched for one-way award rates from JFK to London, Paris and Tel Aviv on many dates using the miles of all 3 programs to create the comparison chart below.
If I couldn’t find any rates on multiple dates or if a class of service isn’t operated on a route, then I wrote N/A. If you can find dates with availability for any of the N/A options please post a comment!
| One-Way Route | Delta miles | Virgin Atlantic Miles | Flying Blue Miles |
|---|---|---|---|
| JFK to London nonstop on Delta | Coach: 96K+$5.60 Premium: 210K+$5.60 Business: 320K+$5.60 | Coach: 10K+$89.50 Premium: N/A Business: 47.5K+$674.50 | Coach: 23.5K+$10.10 Premium: N/A Business: 59.5K+$10.10 |
| JFK to London nonstop on Virgin | Coach: 25K+$5.60 Premium: 55K+$5.60 Business: 86K+$5.60 | Coach: 10K+$149.50 Premium: 17.5K+$274.50 Business: 47.5K+$674.50 | Coach: 23.5K+$64.68 Premium: N/A Business: 59.5K+$206.57 |
| JFK to Paris nonstop on Delta | Coach: 40K+$5.60 Premium: N/A Business: 80K+$5.60 | Coach: 30K+$5.60 Premium: N/A Business: 50K+$5.60 | Coach: 25K+$10.10 Premium: N/A Business: 62K+$10.10 |
| JFK to Paris nonstop on Flying Blue | Coach: 40K+$5.60 Premium: N/A Business: 75K+$5.60 | Coach: 12K+$153.80 Premium: 34K+$153.80 Business: 58.5K+$283.20 | Coach: 22K+$64.68 Premium: 45.5K+$130.17 Business: 57.5K+$206.57 |
| JFK to Tel Aviv nonstop on Delta | Coach: 160K+$5.60 Premium: N/A Business: 415K+$5.60 | Coach: 40K+$5.60 Premium: N/A Business: N/A | Coach: 29K+$10.10 Premium: N/A Business: N/A |
| JFK to Tel Aviv on Virgin | Coach: 37.5K+$45.50 Premium: N/A Business: 85K+$45.50 | Coach: 19K+$239.40 Premium: 33.5K+$314.40 Business: 75.5K+$477.40 | Coach: 29K+$105 Premium: N/A Business: 72K+$247 |
| JFK to Tel Aviv on Flying Blue | Coach: 37.5K+$31.80 Premium: N/A Business: N/A | Coach: 20K+$151.60 Premium: 40K+$151.60 Business: N/A | Coach: 25K+$90.90 Premium: 42.5K+$156.39 Business: 53K+$232.79 |
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Are these roundtrip or one way?
One-way.
Very useful post, thank you!
Important to note that for Flying Blue TLV-JFK, the Europe-TLV segment doesn’t have real business class seating, only the middle seat blocked off.
How is this different than just a typical partner airline booking?
Is this joint venture basically saying that if i have 50k delta miles (as an example) in my account and want to use it towards a award that would cost 100k on delta but only 50k on Flying Blue (for the same flight) that i can use the delta points through flying blue instead (in essence making any points thta you have across all 3 of these programs able to be used in any of them at any time in any combination)?
Before today Flying Blue couldn’t book Virgin and vice versa.
I’m comparing the new rates that came out today.
Is there similar chart for flying from LAX?
Thank you
No, but rates should be mostly similar.
Virgin Atlantic award show up for me on mobile website TLV -LHR
On flying blue website that is
London to jfk flying blue wants 244 dollars in surcharges
Awesome chart!
Thank you!
Any tips for finding delta flights on flying blue? They don’t ever seem to be there.
Search on the Virgin site for nonstops only.
I can book a direct flight from JFK to TLV with Delta using 29k Chase/AMEX miles that are transferred to flying blue?? Isn’t that amazingly cheap??
That’s only if there is saver award available
Seems like Virgin wins as the most effective partner to transfer to
cant seem to find the nonstop delta on flying blue site
I couldn’t find it on Virgin’s site either
Dan, I also don’t see any non-stop Delta flights on either Airfrance’s or Virgin’s site.
I believe you made a mistake with Delta coach to TLV
Why?
160k one way?
I believe so too. Its usually around 110k for “Round trip”
Delta charges more for one way. Because, Skypesos.
Sorry. I’m really confused. How do you search on the Flying Blue website for Virgin Atlantic Flights? It makes you pick Airfrance, KLM or Transvia?
I use AirFrance.com
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I’m trying to book a flight on priceline from Miami to new york but the ticket prices this weekend are crazy. But Priceline is giving me an option to book an “express deal” for only $65 but it wont tell me what airlines. Just says this sunday between 4pm and 12am.
Have u dont this before? Will i be able to cancel?
Dan
on 1/6/21 there is DL in O class for 80k delta miles plus 5.60.
I believe that there is many more dates like this as well.
Is the flying blue app the KLM app?
I used the Air France app.
What days of the week are the nonstop delta flights? Also I don’t see any virgin Atlantic flights when searching in the flying blue app, on multiple different dates.
Great post very informative. What i am cl fused about is flying blue. What site do I log into to check availability for flying blue?
I use AirFrance.com
How do I use my delta miles to book a virgin or flying blue flight?
Can i use virgin Atlantic miles to book air France flights ?
….air france flight between lax and ppt
On virgin Atlantic website ppt doesn’t come up at all
nice! found direct delta one way jfk-tlv 72,000 blue miles plus $10
Dates?
very frustrating! saw thanksgiving weekend. nov 25 jfk-tlv d1 72k afternoon flightand going back dec 2 both coach and d1 available on the morning flight. i even screenshot it to send to someone. just went on to try to book and its gone!
fyi so i found initially 144k r/t FB on delta website same flights is 830k.
Dan, looking at your table, would you say that we can drash out the value of each of these mileage currencies: i.e. Delta points are worth the least, Virgin Atlantic worth a bit more, Flying Blue are most valuable?
are the transfers instant?
to book Delta TLV-JFK that’s 160k+44.11 using Flying Blue instead, it has to show on the Flying Blue website, or can you call it in?
Needs to show.
Nice comparison work there.
is there anything from Tlv-jfk? April 1?
nothing worth taking. 89k business plus $280
@Dan, how do I book Delta non-stop from JFK to TLV using Flying Blue miles? I can not find the DL non-stop flights on the Air France app or website.
Search Virgin for direct award flights and then plug those dates into Air France.
If one only has a Freedom card, can one transfer the Ultimate points to a friend who has a Sapphire card, and have the friend transfer the points to Flying Blue? Does Chase allow transferring to a friend? Also, is it worth transferring even considering the fuel surcharge, rather then booking via the Chase portal? (Am posting this too to a similar thread.) Or, is it wise to your card a friend who also holds a Sapphire card, and can you remove the user after transferring? I’m new to all these, so forgive if something doesn’t make sense here.