British Airways Avios Award Chart Devaluation For Business And First Class Flights

Great just trasferred 250k

Thanks for the update. However, I find it very difficult to find award availability on ba.coms website. I’m trying to get a flight lga to mia and keeps coming up as non available. Any ideas?

@Anonymous:
And what do you usually redeem for?

@sheina:
Please click on the link in the 2nd paragraph of this post. All the tips and tricks are there.

HOW MANY MILES BUSINESS CLASS IS JFK TO TLV

@JEFF:
It depends on the routing.
Please click on the link in the 2nd paragraph of this post to learn more.

Also, you may want to invest in a keyboard with a non-stickied caps-lock.

lol

Don’t jinx the best thing to happen to the mileage game.

CX F JFK-YVR 50K! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

Is there such a thing a first class on US domestic flights? I thought on domestic first is business?

@Anonymous:
The pricing have just been reaffirmed. And that’s good news.

@CX 🙁:
Yup, the Vancouver increases really sting.

@Anonymous:
“First class awards go way up in every zone. This especially hurts within the US as 2 cabin flights are priced as coach and first class.”

Ba just removed YQ on shorthaul fights. So on fights leaving London this doesn’t really change anything as the taxes are over $27.5 either way, so reward flight saver still helps. But consider flying from a place that doesnt have high airport taxes, and you’ll save money. Just surgery reason to book two one ways ava not roundtrip

Does this mean that flights from JFK-TLV may now be a better deal on BA than AirBerlin? Or is some combo a good way to do it? Dan, I think that even though Avios are not necessarily the best way of getting to TLV, lots of people are particularly interested in the effects that this change has on that route. Thanks.

What’s this Reward Saver program? How would one earn at least 1 point every 12 months in that system?
Don’t see anything about it in the Knowledgebase.

Another* not surgery

Take Luxembourg for example, it’s airport charges are practically zero. So an off peak flight fron LUX to LHR is cheaper in miles, and fees, then from DTW-NYC.
Also BA has been cutting long haul YQ by tiny amounts in the past two months. Hopefully it’s the beginning of better things to come.
Just wanted to point out a sweet spot on the new award chart is off peak SIN-SYD

I just transferred 150,000 Amex points to get 210,000 (with the current 40% bonus). Well I guess with the 40% bonus it was still a good move. I’ll probably use most of them for coach domestic flights anyway so I guess it’s not too bad for me.

I don’t get it. Based on this chart of would appear that an economy flight from nyc-yyz off peak would have gone down to 4k???

I just moved to Norfolk, VA. It’s a little tiny airport with very little options for flights and their very expensive. BA Avios is a great way to fly. Any tricks to get free baggage to/from JFK/LGA as from those locations you can only fly direct on Delta or USAir?

this is a week after we are told to get the BA chase card because avios is so great ????

@Ez:

If BA flies there then yes, but not partner airlines like American.

Guess that’s why they were offering the 40% transfer bonus.

@Moshe Rubinovich
Get a Delta or USAir credit card and you can check in 1 bag for free

Dan if british does not show availability on an award flight but AA.com does is it then possible to call british and get it or not?

@flying: +1

@flying: yes, but you’ll have to book it over the phone

So is now the time to transfer MR even if you dont need it for immediate use? You’re locking in the 40% discount which is still cheaper than the soon to be old rates in most zones.

@Dan:
“Also, you may want to invest in a keyboard with a non-stickied caps-lock. ”
–LOL (I mean, lol).

Dan, can you say a little more about the “Reward Saver” aspect of BA’s program, as you noted below:

“Economy awards on BA flights get cheaper. That’s good as intra-Europe and intra-Africa flights on BA can be a good deal if you have earned at least 1 Avios in the past 12 months as part of their Reward Saver program which has very low fuel surcharges. Other BA economy awards are usually a terrible deal as they are subject to heavy fuel surcharges.”

How do I earn “at least 1 Avios”?
Do I need to fly on BA?

WOW good thing I did not transfer my Amex points. Was planning on traveling to Israel with these points. Totally not worth it anymore. I’ll transfer to ANA instead.

So if I wanted to use avios to go nyc to tlv and was planning to use air Berlin for 60K round trip to avoid BA taxes, is the 17K I’m saving if I fly with BA worth the taxes? (Also probably easier to book BA flights?)

so can british book over the phone flights I see available on aa.com even with a stop? is it more points with a stop?

what do I do if I need two seats and says only 1 available? there is still few months till flight.

What is considered ‘peak’ anyway? Is that a time of year (like late December) or time of day? Or both?

Sorry didn’t read that link. NVM previous question

This makes BA points worthless! American Airlines is 20k plus $5.60 to London. On BA it is 20k plus $256.80. Same aircraft!
And yes, these are the awards I am looking for, I do not need local flights. Big mistake, BA!

News from Iberia looks worse: http://www.ibp2015.com/Avios-y-puntos-elite_en.pdf

So these animals give a promo so everyone transfers their points to them, and then they get us…

Dan,

Any idea whether we will be able to make changes to a ticket booked before April 28th after April 28th at the old rates?

@airlines 4,500 OW shorthaul in the US is animals?
Happy I booked JFK-YVR RT in F & J. Total cost 45,000 MR. LOLOLOL

ok, so going ny- berlin and berlin-tlv on BA aircraft, how much is tax per segment?
Is there anywhere a schedule showing tax per segment for popular destinations?

@Berlin:Taxes; NY-Berlin-TLV is $24.93 TLV-Berlin-NY is $64.11. These numbers are only if you book the itinerary on one ticket, even one way tickets. If you break up the itinerary say NY-Berlin then Berlin-TLV the taxes more then double. The exact amount of tax shows up on BA/Avios when you click on any flight. Very easy just try it.

@ikey: It will be much more after the change. My guess, $650 in fuel, taxes, bla bla. They are killing their whole system. They will get hurt hard once it will affect them very badly. People will stop using them.

@Achshell: Do realize that all economy flights are still the same price. It’s just business class that took the hit. Fly economy. I would say 90% of users at least only use economy. Relax.

Why will tax change after new rules?
@ikey, what is the breakdown of your numbers? does it include both segments? on which airline?

@Dan, any way to list a full detailed list of tax by airline using avios? Thank you

is the flights via Brazilian to Toronto available yet or not thanks in advance

I have a BA companion ticket, which routes is that best used for?
(ticket with high taxes not worth it)

Do you have to do anything special to qualify or sign up for the BA reward saver program for intra-Europe flights? When you say that you must ‘earn’ one Avios to qualify, do transfers from UR count?

thank you

what about biz from ORD-YYZ or ORD-LGA?

it is 9500 biz.

Is it going up as well?

What does this mean for the lax-jfk route?
I used to fly first for 37.5k each way.
What will it be going forward?

@Dan

Do you know if American Airlines will be a BA’s partner since they absorb US Airways?

@YOSEF:
Not much.

@joetraveler:
No.
Yes.

@jim:
ORD-YYZ remains 9K one-way in business.
ORD-LGA is a first class route and will go up from 22.5K to 30K.

@Moishe:
50K, as I wrote in the post.

@Shimon:
Both AA and US are BA partners.

@Dan

Is there any other way to get amex points into AA miles?
AA only charges 32.5K for first saver JFK-LAX, which BA will not charge 50K each way

How does premium economy play into this?

I just called chase british airways card and complained about the devaluation and they gave me 10k points for free!!

Of I book now and change my flight but stay in the same cabin can I lock in the current rates

Thanks Dan. Booked jfk – yvr Bus on the way their and First on the red eye home.

If I change my flight after the devaluation will I have to shell out the extra avios

Any ideas how to reach Amman, Jordan?

Does this all mean that if i sell my avios i’ll be getting less for each point?

@Yehoshua: if you book a flight now, can you change the dates later without paying additional miles?

Dan, what am i missing? is it now 100k on air berlin to israel from nyc round trip? what is the best way to get there now?

BA Avios business class flying is no longer worth it on long haul flights
By the time you take the tens of thousands of points required plus the cash you are nearly at the
Price of buying a ticket.

It’s outrageous and it affects Cathay as well

Time to get out!